Gohan vs 17, ToP

[Warmmedown]

Who would win this?

 

[Animelover5487]

Gohan wins due to having more consistent Blue tier feats.

 

[Pocket-God]

Gohan gets annihilated

 

[Fantastische Hure]

For some reason AT has decided to love #17 now, so if he still feels like it #17 probably wins the fight.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Manga-wise, Gohan likely stomps given the hype his potential has and the fact it's made apparent he still has Ultimate up his sleeve. Anime-wise, could go either way, but without plot-armour, I'd say Gohan wins due to more consistent SSB tier feats, whereas #17 seems to flip-flop from being Blue tier to below the Base Saiyans.

 

[supercat]

Android 17 wins with minimal difficulty.

Gohan practically begged Goku to use his full power whereas the latter turned SSB against a suppressed Android 17 because he apparently felt the need to do so.

Android 17 also pushed back and blitzed through an attack that was on the verge of wrecking five SSB-tier warriors (Gohan included).

On top of all that, Gohan couldn't do a thing against Toppo; even a sneak attack from behind failed and resulted in him getting tossed aside like some common fodder. Moments later, Android 17 went at Toppo head-on and was actually able to tangle with him for a bit; which again, is something that Gohan couldn't even accomplish with a surprise attack. This alone strongly implies Android 17 > Ultimate Gohan.

Both Goku and Vegeta were also quite shocked that Jiren was unfazed by Android 17's blast; it should mean something that Vegeta of all people was surprised. If #17 wasn't at least SSB-tier, Vegeta likely would have ridiculed the attack as weak nonsense; the fact that Vegeta was utterly surprised likely indicates that there is a good amount of power behind #17's blast.

In my opinion, Android 17's power only seems to fluctuates because he lacks the ability to transform. Goku and Gohan's power would likely go up and down just as much if they too weren't able to transform.

 

[Keedounan]

17 wins, quite easily at that. In addition to being at least as strong as Gohan (if not stronger), he has the perks that comes with being an artificial human, which is to say unlimited stamina, undetectable energy and an energy barrier (which he enhanced to ridiculous degree), as well as being a more competent fighter in general.

 

[Pyro]

Gohan wins if he tries from the start and uses at least some kind of strategy. If he holds back and lets 17 get going, he's going to lose by attrition. I still think Gohan is noticeably stronger than 17 from a power standpoint, but by god did 17 ever get the author's cock propelling him through the whole tournament. One minute he's Jiren tier and the next he's in awe of regular Blue tier fighters.

 

[supercat]

It's very unlikely that Gohan is stronger than Android 17 at this point.

Android 17 has numerous feats that more than support the notion that he is SSB-tier. Below are a few examples.

-Pushed back an attack that five SSB-tier fighters (Gohan included) were helpless against.

-Performed far better against Base Toppo (a fighter that was implied to be on par with SSB Goku Kaioken) than Gohan.

Ultimate Gohan was practically useless against Toppo; despite getting in a sneak attack he was thrown around like some weakling. Android 17 actually attacked Toppo head on and was even able to push the Pride Trooper briefly in hand to hand combat; a feat that Gohan was not once able to pull off. Just this bit alone strongly implies that Android 17 is a good deal stronger than Gohan.


-Android 17 completely wrecked Toppo during their beam struggle. Even though Golden Frieza was helping, Android 17's blast seemed to have caused most of the damage; it engulfed both Toppo and Golden Frieza's blast before nearly destroying Toppo himself. What did a surprise Kamehameha from Gohan do to Toppo? Absolutely nothing! Toppo tanked it like it was a joke, while he couldn't even take his hands off of Android 17's blast during their beam struggle. He even charged up his red aura before said beam struggle, which once again implies that he took Android 17 far more seriously than he did Gohan. The only other time we saw Toppo flaring his aura was when SSB Goku flared up his Kaioken.

Even Frieza indicated how Toppo was unable to fight back during the beam struggle. If Android 17 was really that much weaker, Toppo would have just tanked or moved away from Android 17's blast while making Frieza his priority. Neither one of these things took place because he was stuck in the beam struggle with #17 and even the slightest of movements would likely leave him heavily damaged.

So in short, Toppo tanks Gohan's blast like it's nothing, while Android 17's blast requires his full power to fend off.

-While Android 17 and Gohan both fought SSB Goku, the circumstances were a tad different. Goku didn't intend on using SSB against Android 17, while Gohan had to urge his father to use said transformation. Goku also mentioning how glad he is that Android 17 is no longer an enemy says a lot. For those words to hold any meaning, Android 17 should at least be current SSB-tier, as anything less for a Goku that can easily use Kaioken x20 on top of SSB would be a joke in the long run and certainly not worthy of such acknowledgement.

For those who may be wondering why Android 17 didn't just use his his SSB-tier power to flick away opponents who are seemingly base saiyan level...

Goku and Gohan can visually showcase approximately how much power they are utilizing with the usage of transformations. Android 17 on the other hand cannot transform; and therefore, it is difficult to gauge what portion of his power he is using against a given opponent. This in-turn makes it far easier to label him as having inconsistent feats; but from a writing standpoint, #17 flicking away these so-called base saiyan-tier opponents right from the get-go would be the same as Goku using SSB from the start and clearing out the fodders in a matter of seconds.

Also, saying Android 17 is only as strong as he is because his barrier is no different than saying Goku is only top-tier because of his transformations; these attributes are part of their powers and abilities and thus shouldn't play any role in devaluing their strength.

The power scale below basically highlights where I feel Android 17 and Ultimate Gohan stand in.

Base Toppo = SSB Goku Kaioken (2-3x) > SSB Goku > / = Android 17 > Ultimate Gohan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ Vegetto (Buu saga) > Buuhan > Buutenks > Ultimate Gohan (Buu saga) > SSJ3 Gotenks > / = Super Buu > Mr. Buu

SSB Goku Kaioken x3: 300
Base Toppo: 200-300
SSB Goku Kaioken x2: 200
SSB Goku: 100
Android 17: 90-95
Ultimate Gohan: 75
SSJ Vegetto (Buu saga): 0.1

 

[Fantastische Hure]

#17 would still be Seru's you-know-what if it wasn't for Gohan, so it's an automatic win for Gohan.

 

[CroMagnumDVH]

Anime Wise, 17 Shitstomps

 

[Fantastische Hure]

#17 would still be Seru's you-know-what if it wasn't for Gohan, so it's an automatic win for Gohan.

 

[Pyro]

I see the rampant 17 bias is still alive.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Manga version of both: Gohan would destroy this charisma-vacuum easily.

Gohan > SSjinB Goku >>> SSjin3 Goku ~ Android 17

Anime Version of both: Should be an even match IMO. Android 17 probably wins due to having stamina advantage which can last longer until Gohan can't keep up unless Gohan goes for a finish.

 

[VampireWicked]

Android17 wins.
Unlimited Energy
More skilled as a fighter.
Better stagiest