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Who wins?
Who wins?
Diamond Ryan said:Personally I think Gotenks would win fairly easily. I can see arguments for Majin Vegeta winning though.
There's no evidence for either. I just go with Vegeta because I think the gap between Base and Super Saiyan is far larger than the one between Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 3.GreatSaiyaman123 said:Are there even arguments for Vegeta tho
I mean, people only counter the arguments for Gotenks and never show evidence for Vegeta being stronger. I know the burden of proof is on Gotenks, but still.
Only very loosely. The wording of the statement makes it sound as if it's talking about Gotenks' power in general rather than his base self, which clearly can't be the case when it's made obvious his SSJ form had power above Fat Boo's. Whilst bringing up the Daizenshuu is never a bad thing, it's also not an absolutely flawless source (eg. Having Piccolo Daimao > BoZ Ten when feats and statements suggest a different picture, or seemingly flip-flopping between which form they believe Gohan was using against Dabura).CroMagnumDVH said:No evidence for either but Daizenshuu implies Vegeta surpassed Pre ROSAT Gotenks.
Not very though. Good Boo was already putting up as much of, if not better, a fight against Pure Boo than a Vegeta at least as strong as his Majin self did. Even though bringing in battle powers should be considered to be secondary, the maths overall support Pure Evil Boo being far above SS2 tier; it being made apparent three SS2s would have no chance against Fat Boo and Pure Evil Boo receiving over half his power.Even if you want to do that, the Anime suggests that Pre ROSAT Gotenks is inferior to even Grey Buu, and it's arguable whether Majin Vegeta is around that level or not, so there's that.
Captain Cadaver said:Only very loosely. The wording of the statement makes it sound as if it's talking about Gotenks' power in general rather than his base self, which clearly can't be the case when it's made obvious his SSJ form had power above Fat Boo's.
Whilst bringing up the Daizenshuu is never a bad thing, it's also not an absolutely flawless source (eg. Having Piccolo Daimao > BoZ Ten when feats and statements suggest a different picture, or seemingly flip-flopping between which form they believe Gohan was using against Dabura).
Not very though. Good Boo was already putting up as much of, if not better, a fight against Pure Boo than a Vegeta at least as strong as his Majin self did.
Even though bringing in battle powers should be considered to be secondary, the maths overall support Pure Evil Boo being far above SS2 tier; it being made apparent three SS2s would have no chance against Fat Boo and Pure Evil Boo receiving over half his power.
2kewl4u said:Writing Super-Saiyan Gotenks would make it sound stupid I think. Much easier to assume it was just talking about the highest power Gotenks was capable of other-wise it'd sound like the Daizenshuu was written specifically for power-level obsessed people.![]()
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Not really. It's a guide for the whole series, not a power-scaling guide.CroMagnumDVH said:2kewl4u said:Writing Super-Saiyan Gotenks would make it sound stupid I think. Much easier to assume it was just talking about the highest power Gotenks was capable of other-wise it'd sound like the Daizenshuu was written specifically for power-level obsessed people.![]()
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That's pretty much half of Daizenshuu's reason for existence anyways since it consists of mostly power scaling issues :mikey
2kewl4u said:Not really. It's a guide for the whole series, not a power-scaling guide.
That's not because it's a power-level guide, but because DragonBall's a Shounen series which is about power so there's no-way around not talking about power.CroMagnumDVH said:2kewl4u said:Not really. It's a guide for the whole series, not a power-scaling guide.
No it's both. It has so much information regarding the power of the characters, as well as some information regarding the plot, which is why DBZ debaters reference it alot as evidence to things that aren't well-clarified in the Manga or Dragon Ball Kai