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Recently, I have enjoyed tackling some of the biggest theories within the community by bringing new ideas and alternative perspectives towards said evidence. After going through Goku's statement about Super Boo and Gotenks Ssj Post-Rosat, I'm going to go backwards and focus on Gotenks SSj Pre-Rosat, for the sake of tying up some loose ends.
Summarily, this first statement regarding Gotenks is based on a false pretense because Goku hadn't witnessed their full capabilities yet and therefore; he could not scale them accurately enough for us to treat the statement as a fact.
According to an interview with Toriyama, performing fusion can be incredibly hard and it takes time to master. This is the underlying reason as to why Gotenks could not transform into a Super Saiyan prior to entering the Rosat -the fusion was not mastered yet and it left more to be desired; now, that isn't the same as saying it wasn't a completely effective solution, just that they weren't quite at that level yet.
Ginyu has a battle power of 120,000 whereas Goku has a battle power of 90,000. That is a 33% difference, yet Ginyu is physically more powerful whereas Goku is more nimble. Just because Gotenks wrongly believes he's strong enough to take Majin Boo based on speed alone, does not mean he is.
Gotenks has a predetermined expectation that was never proven or implied to be proven by any character. As a result, it's a fallacy to determine that he lived up to those expectations. Piccolo did try and stop Gotenks but he flew off before he even had a chance. You can surely argue that Piccolo did not doubt his power, but that is not the same as confirming his battle power and within the larger context of the story, what is more important? Doubting his power or worrying about the time limit that Gotenks has left and the last hope for the world being utterly destroyed?
The Clean-Up: http://dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4338
Within the events that followed after Toriyama introduced Super Boo, it is heavily implied that Gotenks lived up to the predetermined expectations after receiving some training inside the Rosat, but surely not beforehand.
We have several important statements here that we have to pay attention towards. Firstly, Goku makes a statement concerning how powerful Gotenks would become after performing the fusion -and secondly, this statement is made before Goku even has the chance to witness their full power. He then asks the boys to power up to their full capabilities and he doesn't seem overly impressed by what he sees.
Summarily, this first statement regarding Gotenks is based on a false pretense because Goku hadn't witnessed their full capabilities yet and therefore; he could not scale them accurately enough for us to treat the statement as a fact.
After witnessing the full capabilities of Goten and Trunks, Goku's choice words regarding how effective fusion will be against Majin Boo changes from: 'them simply performing it successfully to perfecting the technique'. Further training is obviously implied by this statement and it is also implied by the following events within the story.
According to an interview with Toriyama, performing fusion can be incredibly hard and it takes time to master. This is the underlying reason as to why Gotenks could not transform into a Super Saiyan prior to entering the Rosat -the fusion was not mastered yet and it left more to be desired; now, that isn't the same as saying it wasn't a completely effective solution, just that they weren't quite at that level yet.
Gotenks puts emphasis on his speed alone, and makes the wrong assertion that just because he's quick, that simultaneously means that he is equally as powerful. However, this is completely false. We have had several scenarios in Dragonball Z where Akira Toriyama informs us that strength and speed do not correlate to the same degree. There is definitely a connecting point between the two components, but they can vary largely in their effectiveness in combat. A good example is here:
Chapter: 284 (DBZ 90), P10.3
Ginyu: “He’s fast! Is his speed greater than mine?!”
Ginyu: “He’s fast! Is his speed greater than mine?!”
Gotenks has a predetermined expectation that was never proven or implied to be proven by any character. As a result, it's a fallacy to determine that he lived up to those expectations. Piccolo did try and stop Gotenks but he flew off before he even had a chance. You can surely argue that Piccolo did not doubt his power, but that is not the same as confirming his battle power and within the larger context of the story, what is more important? Doubting his power or worrying about the time limit that Gotenks has left and the last hope for the world being utterly destroyed?
The Clean-Up: http://dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4338
During Super Boo's initial transformation, he did a temporary power-burst to test his new abilities; this is highly implied within the Manga, because Super Boo is clearly seen examining himself. It is here that Piccolo realizes that Gotenks is boned, because of how powerful Super Boo's power-burst was, and not his superficial power.
Other notable Chi sensors do not immediately catch onto Super Boo's complete power and they don't bother commenting on it. Therefore, Super Boo's initial transformation is likely as powerful as Innocent Boo was; because he is comprised of the exact same material, so once he split and refused into one being, he began at his previous battle power before the split. Nobody noted an increase in his power, except for the people that witnessed Super Boo's temporary power-burst, hence why nobody but Dende and Piccolo caught onto it.
Even though Piccolo knows Gotenks is essentially fucked, he doesn't immediately send Gotenks into the Room Of Spirit & Time, he lets the boys continue to sleep. It is only once Super Boo reveals that he can sense Chi and shows up unexpectedly at the look-out, does Piccolo send them in, but not before.
During their room of spirit and time training, Goten & Trunks only acquire Super Saiyan 3 six hours prior to Piccolo's and Super Boo's arrival; so it's implied that they probably spent most of their time trying to achieve it as opposed to making solid gains individually, or as the sum of the product.
When Super Boo finally arrives, he is still at Innocent Boo's level and Gotenks Base Post is still unable to do anything. It is only when he transforms into a Super Saiyan do the tables turn. Super Boo's initial power -which is the same level as Innocent Boo, isn't strong enough to make the battle completely one sided, and Gotenks actually comes close to getting the better of him.
Therefore, Gotenks finally lived up to the expectations once he hit the Rost for some additional training.
Other notable Chi sensors do not immediately catch onto Super Boo's complete power and they don't bother commenting on it. Therefore, Super Boo's initial transformation is likely as powerful as Innocent Boo was; because he is comprised of the exact same material, so once he split and refused into one being, he began at his previous battle power before the split. Nobody noted an increase in his power, except for the people that witnessed Super Boo's temporary power-burst, hence why nobody but Dende and Piccolo caught onto it.
Even though Piccolo knows Gotenks is essentially fucked, he doesn't immediately send Gotenks into the Room Of Spirit & Time, he lets the boys continue to sleep. It is only once Super Boo reveals that he can sense Chi and shows up unexpectedly at the look-out, does Piccolo send them in, but not before.
During their room of spirit and time training, Goten & Trunks only acquire Super Saiyan 3 six hours prior to Piccolo's and Super Boo's arrival; so it's implied that they probably spent most of their time trying to achieve it as opposed to making solid gains individually, or as the sum of the product.
When Super Boo finally arrives, he is still at Innocent Boo's level and Gotenks Base Post is still unable to do anything. It is only when he transforms into a Super Saiyan do the tables turn. Super Boo's initial power -which is the same level as Innocent Boo, isn't strong enough to make the battle completely one sided, and Gotenks actually comes close to getting the better of him.
Therefore, Gotenks finally lived up to the expectations once he hit the Rost for some additional training.
