Gotenks SSJ4 (DBGT) vs Vegetto SSJ4 (DBGT)

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Who is more powerful?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'd probably say Gotenks as long as he can finish things in time. Even in GT, the hybrids' potential vastly eclipses Goku/Vegeta's given that Vegeta seemed to believe the three half-Saiyans could defeat Super Yi Xing Long with enough training, suggesting the gap between the hybrid SS4s and Beyond Limits SS4 Goku/Vegeta would be over 10x. That said, I'd assume the gap would be enough for Gotenks to still come out on top, considering GT's nerfed fusion multipliers would likely mean Vegetto isn't too much stronger than Gogeta now.

Then again, the GT Perfect Files cite Gogeta as "the mightiest warrior in all dimensions" and that his power is "limitless", so it could be that due to Goku and Vegeta having been brought beyond their limits, the natural limit for Gogeta was brought up to a completely different tier. That said, it could be possible for Beyond Limits SS4 Gogeta to stomp SS4 Gotenks, though it's still perplexing that the "all dimensions" statement that would likely include hypothetical characters would ignore Vegetto. Then again, you could simply assume the statement is referring to all the dimensions of the GT Universe.

 

[SIAD]

I'd probably say Gotenks as long as he can finish things in time. Even in GT, the hybrids' potential vastly eclipses Goku/Vegeta's given that Vegeta seemed to believe the three half-Saiyans could defeat Super Yi Xing Long with enough training, suggesting the gap between the hybrid SS4s and Beyond Limits SS4 Goku/Vegeta would be over 10x. That said, I'd assume the gap would be enough for Gotenks to still come out on top, considering GT's nerfed fusion multipliers would likely mean Vegetto isn't too much stronger than Gogeta now.

Then again, the GT Perfect Files cite Gogeta as "the mightiest warrior in all dimensions" and that his power is "limitless", so it could be that due to Goku and Vegeta having been brought beyond their limits, the natural limit for Gogeta was brought up to a completely different tier. That said, it could be possible for Beyond Limits SS4 Gogeta to stomp SS4 Gotenks, though it's still perplexing that the "all dimensions" statement that would likely include hypothetical characters would ignore Vegetto. Then again, you could simply assume the statement is referring to all the dimensions of the GT Universe.

By the way, if you have Goku SSJ4 "Beyond Limits" with a fighting level of 1. Then what level do you give Omega Yi Xing Long, Gogeta SSJ4, Vegetto SSJ4, Gotenks SSJ4, Trunkten SSJ4 and Goku Base (Post God / DBS)?

 

[SSJ3 Gothic]

Without getting as in-depth as CC, I'd say Vegetto wins with low-difficulty. Assuming Gotenks is as original and unpredictable with his attacks as in the Boo arc, he might do better.

 

[Pocket-God]

Vegito destroys Gotenks with ridiculous ease....am I missing something here?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Vegito destroys Gotenks with ridiculous ease....am I missing something here?

GT Perfect Files state SS4 draws a Saiyan's power to their absolute limit (ie. a potential unlock) and the hybrids have vastly greater potential than their fathers, hence why SS4 Gotenks > SS4 Vegetto could be a possibility.

 

[Pocket-God]

Eh, Trunks and Goten's potential isn't all that great. But regardless I don't go with SSJ4 being potential unlock anyway so it doesn't matter much.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Trunks and Goten's potential isn't all that great.

Uh...they went SSJ younger than anyone else and were more powerful than any other character as young as them during the Boo Arc, plus even in GT, Vegeta considered them and Gohan to be capable of beating Super Yi Xing Long with training, despite even versions of SS4 Goku and Vegeta brought beyond their limits got wrecked by the Dragon. Hell, one of their defining traits in the Boo Arc was how much of super special awesome prodigies they were.

But regardless I don't go with SSJ4 being potential unlock anyway so it doesn't matter much.

I can understand that, considering the way SS4 has been utilised in more recent material makes it questionable if the "up to the absolute limits" statement holds anymore weight than the SEG saying the same about SS3, such as how more recent video games present it as a boost akin to SSB.
Looking at it's use in the series, however, I'd probably say the potential unlock route seems to be backed up somewhat by the Super #17 and Evil Dragon Arcs, considering that rather than Goku's SS4 form getting stronger, his base and SSJ selves seemed to be closing the gap between them and SS4 with almost every battle, so there's that.

 

[SIAD]

He is very right CC. What do you think of Pan SSJ4 vs Gogeta SSJ4?

Pan at age 4 was about the same or even more powerful than Mr. Boo.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

What do you think of Pan SSJ4 vs Gogeta SSJ4?

[/quote]Even if looking at SS4 Gogeta from a low end perspective, I'd say he'd probably win. I wouldn't place Pan's potential as being leagues above the hybrids, seeing as how they're the ones who's vast potential is hyped up in most material, not to mention that despite Pan likely having continued training after the Evil Dragons Arc, she never surpassed the power of Goku's Universal Genki-Dama.

Looking at Gogeta's power at a high end from the "limitless power" statement and attributing it to Goku and Vegeta going beyond their limits having brought Gogeta to a completely different level, then nothing short of SS4 Vegetto would be able to compete with SS4 Gogeta in the GT continuity, let alone a non-fused SS4.

 

[SIAD]

And by the way CC, which of the 2 versions of power that you just mentioned, do you think is the most likely?

I see the option of having it at the high end interesting. It could be justified with the rival impulse and thus have Gogeta SSJ4 >>> Trunkten SSJ4.