Hokuto no Ken power chain
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Assuming we're limiting things to Part 1, then:
Tier A
Raoh
Toki (pre-illness)
Kenshiro (post-resolve boost) = Toki (Sick)
Tier B
Souther
Juza
Tier C
Fudo ~ Ryuga
Shu
Kenshiro (Pre-Raoh fight) ~ Rei ~ Shin
Tier D
Yuda
Jagi
Kenshiro (pre-story)
Even though it was stated Toki could've beaten Raoh if not for his illness, it wasn't in terms of raw power as Raoh was stated by both Toki and Kenshiro to be the strongest man in Hokuto Shinken's history. Kenshiro was shown to be equal to a sick Toki just before Toki VS Raoh and Souther was stated to be the strongest Nanto master which should include the Goshasei such as Juza, not to mention having arguably greater speed than Kenshiro, though clearly lagging behind the Hokuto brothers a fair bit in power.
Fudo is stated in guidebooks to be on a similar tier to Rei and the like, which seems fair as we have little basis for Raoh being that strong back when Fudo scared him and he only lasted so long in their fight due to resolve. Ryuga is a tough one to place. Guidebooks place him below Shin and Rei, but that seems very questionable. Given how Raoh didn't immediately dismiss him fighting Kenshiro, I'd say he ought to be at least above Rei. Shu is clearly above Rei and Shin from his fight with Kenshiro and Kenshiro prior to fighting Rei should be either equal to or slightly stronger than Rei based on how they're presented together as well as Kenshiro's statement in Part 2 about surpassing stronger opponents through Hokuto Shinken (where Rei was shown) likely makes them at least equal all around. Shin in turn should be about the same level going by guidebook entries and Bat saying a single move could determine the entire battle between Kenshiro and Shin.
Yuda is clearly the weakest of the Rokuseiken (bar Yuria) with him still losing to a near dead Rei even after all his cheap tricks and despite Nanto Kokakuken arguably being the most skillful Nanto style. Jagi, despite being implied through his confidence and Kenshiro's initial worry to be above the Ken that lost to Shin, was clearly outmatched by Kenshiro during their fight. Could even possibly place him a tier lower given guidebooks place Yuda a tier above him.
Tier A
Raoh
Toki (pre-illness)
Kenshiro (post-resolve boost) = Toki (Sick)
Tier B
Souther
Juza
Tier C
Fudo ~ Ryuga
Shu
Kenshiro (Pre-Raoh fight) ~ Rei ~ Shin
Tier D
Yuda
Jagi
Kenshiro (pre-story)
Even though it was stated Toki could've beaten Raoh if not for his illness, it wasn't in terms of raw power as Raoh was stated by both Toki and Kenshiro to be the strongest man in Hokuto Shinken's history. Kenshiro was shown to be equal to a sick Toki just before Toki VS Raoh and Souther was stated to be the strongest Nanto master which should include the Goshasei such as Juza, not to mention having arguably greater speed than Kenshiro, though clearly lagging behind the Hokuto brothers a fair bit in power.
Fudo is stated in guidebooks to be on a similar tier to Rei and the like, which seems fair as we have little basis for Raoh being that strong back when Fudo scared him and he only lasted so long in their fight due to resolve. Ryuga is a tough one to place. Guidebooks place him below Shin and Rei, but that seems very questionable. Given how Raoh didn't immediately dismiss him fighting Kenshiro, I'd say he ought to be at least above Rei. Shu is clearly above Rei and Shin from his fight with Kenshiro and Kenshiro prior to fighting Rei should be either equal to or slightly stronger than Rei based on how they're presented together as well as Kenshiro's statement in Part 2 about surpassing stronger opponents through Hokuto Shinken (where Rei was shown) likely makes them at least equal all around. Shin in turn should be about the same level going by guidebook entries and Bat saying a single move could determine the entire battle between Kenshiro and Shin.
Yuda is clearly the weakest of the Rokuseiken (bar Yuria) with him still losing to a near dead Rei even after all his cheap tricks and despite Nanto Kokakuken arguably being the most skillful Nanto style. Jagi, despite being implied through his confidence and Kenshiro's initial worry to be above the Ken that lost to Shin, was clearly outmatched by Kenshiro during their fight. Could even possibly place him a tier lower given guidebooks place Yuda a tier above him.
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Considering Raoh's fist containing "all his spirit" failed to hit Kenshiro while Kenshiro fatally wounded Raoh with just his counterattack, shouldn't Musou Tensei Kenshiro be > everyone else in Part 1? Apparently Musou Tensei has a greater buff to Kenshiro's abilities than it does for Raoh's due to that friendship nonsense about how much love he has for his comrades and rivals or some nonsense.
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They're close enough that they can fight without it being a complete stomp, but still enough a clear advantage is apparent. Raoh only refused to fight Souther due to the secret of his body not making it a certain victory and, for what supplementary material is worth, Raoh was able to stalemate Souther in Ten no Haoh even with Hokuto Shinken not being effective. Juza is clearly a fair bit lower considering Raoh was able to fatally wound him.Super Saiyan said:
It would, though I didn't include Musou Tensei due to it being less so a power buff and more so and instant win technique through its intangibility and cell destruction unless having a direct counter to it (eg. Anryu Tenha). It also seems as though the technique brings users onto an even playing field, considering Kenshiro went from being far enough behind Raoh the latter still had a clear advantage to the two being equals.Kenshi said:
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It wasn't as noticeable as the lead he had in their 2nd fight before Kenshiro whipped out Musou Tensei though.
