How about treating SSJ as a certain level rather than a mult

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I mean, there are implications about that.
-At Mecha Freeza Saga, they all treat SSJ as a certain unstoppable force, the force that stopped Freeza. Manga
wise, nobody ever notices any power difference between Trunks and Goku, Trunks is just treated as the
second Super Saiyan.
-Future Gohan had been training his ass off for over 10 years, yet he couldn't beat Androids, because he didn't
have the genius to see beyond SSJ.
-At Androids Saga, no noteable progress is ever mentioned to have been made by Goku. Just him being a
Super Saiyan is still enough to cause awe to Tien.
-Vegeta says that, now that he's a Super Saiyan, he surpasses Kakarrot, since he's a Saiyan prince. In other
words, Vegeta says nothing about base level, he just expects the prince SSJ to be better than a low class SSJ.
-Vegeta says he can beat Androids because he's a Super Saiyans and Trunks says so was i, but i lost. Once
more, it is implied all SSJs are at about the same ballpark.
-After recovering from the virus, Goku says there is no way he can win unless he transcends the Super Saiyan,
which further implies the extremely low gains one has when he achieves the legend.

 

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In the Android Arc being a Super Saiyan was viewed very highely, regardless if one is stronger than the other. So I sort of agree with you here.

 

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Me like this theory.

 

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Well, how can you explain ssj buu saga goku>>cell saga ssj goku? If you're trying to make sense of the statements in super, then it's impossible, it's all PIS.

 

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Well, how can you explain ssj buu saga goku>>cell saga ssj goku? If you're trying to make sense of the statements in super, then it's impossible, it's all PIS.

Is there anything implying Goku had large power gains (excluding his new forms) between Cell and Buu Saga?
I haven't watched any material newer than BOG.

 

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^Piccolo states that SSj2 Majin Vegeta>=SSj2 Gohan (CG), as he says that Majin Vegeta's Ki is "perhaps greater than even Gohan's." Piccolo is likely referencing SSj2 Gohan from the Cell Games, so Majin Vegeta>=SSj2 Gohan (CG).

SSj2 Goku (Boo Arc)~Majin Vegeta>=SSj2 Gohan (CG). Since SSj2 likely has a consistent multiplier, that means that SSj Goku (Boo Arc)>=SSj Gohan (CG).

And the Cell Games Arc implied that CG SSj Gohan>>CG SSj Goku (remember, he forced Cell to use his full speed for Cell to do any damage, whereas Goku struggled with a more suppressed Perfect Cell), so that means that Boo Arc SSj Goku>>CG SSj Goku IMO.

 

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Well, how can you explain ssj buu saga goku>>cell saga ssj goku? If you're trying to make sense of the statements in super, then it's impossible, it's all PIS.

Is there anything implying Goku had large power gains (excluding his new forms) between Cell and Buu Saga?
I haven't watched any material newer than BOG.

The new material suggests that FPSSJ Goku=Freeza.
I'm talking about the old material:
Vegeta states that SSJ2 Goku>SSJ2 Kid Gohan, wouldn't it imply that SSJ Goku>SSJ Kid Gohan?
In CG SSJ Gohan>SSJ Goku, so Goku did get stronger.

 

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^Piccolo states that SSj2 Majin Vegeta>=SSj2 Gohan (CG), as he says that Majin Vegeta's Ki is "perhaps greater than even Gohan's." Piccolo is likely referencing SSj2 Gohan from the Cell Games, so Majin Vegeta>=SSj2 Gohan (CG).

SSj2 Goku (Boo Arc)~Majin Vegeta>=SSj2 Gohan (CG). Since SSj2 likely has a consistent multiplier, that means that SSj Goku (Boo Arc)>=SSj Gohan (CG).

And the Cell Games Arc implied that CG SSj Gohan>>CG SSj Goku (remember, he forced Cell to use his full speed for Cell to do any damage, whereas Goku struggled with a more suppressed Perfect Cell), so that means that Boo Arc SSj Goku>>CG SSj Goku IMO.

All MSSJ Gohan did was dodging Cell's hits and, at that, he was probably greatly helped by his small frame,
like Kid Goku against Roshi or Tien. Nothing indicates a great gap between Gohan and Suppressed Cell.