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How reliable are the Daizenshuus and similar books, in your opinion?
How good are the guidebooks?
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They're good companion guides to the story.
I think a lot of what's in there is legit. There are obviously things (IE Gohan defeating Cell by borrowing power from Goku in Otherworld, etc) that aren't factual, but overall, it's a good source of information.
I think a lot of what's in there is legit. There are obviously things (IE Gohan defeating Cell by borrowing power from Goku in Otherworld, etc) that aren't factual, but overall, it's a good source of information.
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As long as it's material that supports what's shown in the series rather than those that contradict what's suggested in the series (eg. Piccolo Daimao > BoZ Ten, SS2 Vegeta > pre-Rosat Gotenks) or even contradict themselves (eg. Daizenshuu 2 and 7 having opposing views on what form Gohan was against Dabura).
Overall, the Daizenshuu can be very contradictive, though it's better information is pretty useful and is a very good catalogue and encyclopedia of info on things such as general terminology.
Overall, the Daizenshuu can be very contradictive, though it's better information is pretty useful and is a very good catalogue and encyclopedia of info on things such as general terminology.
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The quantity is impressive. The Daizenshuu collection itself is seven whole books of information and artwork, which is fairly nice. D7 especially is great for its encyclopedia-esque layout.
However, the quality is somewhat lacking overall. Some excerpts sound logical and add to the lore of DB, while other excerpts come out of fucking nowhere (like Tenshinhan's alien ancestry), contradict established concepts/items in the original manga, contradict other excerpts, or just flatout don't make sense and are transparent asspulls just to fill space.
The books are nice to have as reference or to keep things organized as far as the timeline, who battled who, the very broad story strokes, character transformations, etc. But for intricate details, if it doesn't jive with the manga, then it's not valid. If it supports what's in the manga, have at it.
Nobody should be forced to use or neglect the guidebooks if they deem so. But since they are secondary material to the manga—not something with equal say—then they cannot logically trump what's said or done in said manga. They're guidebooks, after all, not rule books. Akira Toriyama's stamp does not mean everything that's officially released is on equal footing with his original vision, nor does it mean it necessarily has to override someone's opinion if evidence is in that person's favor against an excerpt that we can't trace back to either Toriyama or someone who worked closely with him or had his direct input on the matter.
Personally, I find it incredibly asinine to present a guidebook excerpt and expect everyone to automatically bow down to its word, especially if that passage clashes with something from the manga.
However, the quality is somewhat lacking overall. Some excerpts sound logical and add to the lore of DB, while other excerpts come out of fucking nowhere (like Tenshinhan's alien ancestry), contradict established concepts/items in the original manga, contradict other excerpts, or just flatout don't make sense and are transparent asspulls just to fill space.
The books are nice to have as reference or to keep things organized as far as the timeline, who battled who, the very broad story strokes, character transformations, etc. But for intricate details, if it doesn't jive with the manga, then it's not valid. If it supports what's in the manga, have at it.
Nobody should be forced to use or neglect the guidebooks if they deem so. But since they are secondary material to the manga—not something with equal say—then they cannot logically trump what's said or done in said manga. They're guidebooks, after all, not rule books. Akira Toriyama's stamp does not mean everything that's officially released is on equal footing with his original vision, nor does it mean it necessarily has to override someone's opinion if evidence is in that person's favor against an excerpt that we can't trace back to either Toriyama or someone who worked closely with him or had his direct input on the matter.
Personally, I find it incredibly asinine to present a guidebook excerpt and expect everyone to automatically bow down to its word, especially if that passage clashes with something from the manga.
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More reliable than fan opinion/interpretation.
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There's a difference between how a fan interprets work, and how it's plainly drawn or plays out on the page. If Goku wearing a pink dress slaps Bulma, but the guidebook says he wore a red tank top and hugged her, obviously the guidebook is wrong and there's no need to demean the fan for it. Guidebooks are not infallible.
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They're really reliable. One time, i was out of toilet paper and they kept my ass clean.
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They're good enough.
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As long as they don't contradict the manga then its ok to use it on the debate.
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They're shit.
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