How strong are Piccolo and the Humans when these last 3 manage to hit Gregory?

[SIAD]

I have doubts about the following string:

Piccolo (Unweighted)> Piccolo (Weighted)> Tenshinhan (Post Gregory)> Yamcha (Post Gregory)> Chaoz (Post Gregory)> Tenshinhan (Post Bubbles)> Yamcha (Post Bubbles)> Chaoz (Post Bubbles)> Tenshinhan (Arc Saiyan).

Is the chain like this?

How strong would the 4 be by the time the 3 manage to hit Gregory?

After the team was beating Piccolo (Weighted), the latter took the weight off, but Kaiosama interrupted the match. Who would have won?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Beyond stronger than their Saiyan Arc selves, anything about how much they'd progressed so early into the training would be pure speculation. There's no reason to believe they'd made gains to reach the likes of say, Nappa, with the only thing we know for sure is that the gap between the Earthlings and Piccolo had become significantly lower. It's also worth noting Piccolo actively attempted to stop Chaozu self destructing on him rather than simply tank it, which shows he certainly wasn't on Nappa's level.

As for how the fight would've gone if uninterrupted, Piccolo would've likely won when considering Yamcha and Tenshinhan just barely managed to overpower his weighted self with teamwork.

 

[ahill1]

Was Chaozu trying to self-destruct? I always assumed he was just using his psychic powers to affect Piccolo from behind.

 

[SIAD]

Beyond stronger than their Saiyan Arc selves, anything about how much they'd progressed so early into the training would be pure speculation. There's no reason to believe they'd made gains to reach the likes of say, Nappa, with the only thing we know for sure is that the gap between the Earthlings and Piccolo had become significantly lower. It's also worth noting Piccolo actively attempted to stop Chaozu self destructing on him rather than simply tank it, which shows he certainly wasn't on Nappa's level.

As for how the fight would've gone if uninterrupted, Piccolo would've likely won when considering Yamcha and Tenshinhan just barely managed to overpower his weighted self with teamwork.

But if we consider that Chaoz at that time should have a much greater power than before, his self-destruction should be much stronger than before.

They think it would be nice to have something like this:

Piccolo = 7,000
Tenshinhan = 5,000
Yamcha = 4,000
Chaos = 3,000?

From there, as they continued training, the gaps between them 4 expanded.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Was Chaozu trying to self-destruct? I always assumed he was just using his psychic powers to affect Piccolo from behind.

Seems like an odd way to use them when all his other usages of it were at further range and relied on him putting his hands out. Trying to use them at such close range would be less beneficial when it'd provide more chances of being hit.

But if we consider that Chaoz at that time should have a much greater power than before, his self-destruction should be much stronger than before.

Piccolo didn't know that though. It was only after Chaozu got beaten down and took some hits from Yamcha and Tenshinhan that he became aware that the humans had become significantly stronger from Kaio's training.

 

[SIAD]

Was Chaozu trying to self-destruct? I always assumed he was just using his psychic powers to affect Piccolo from behind.

Seems like an odd way to use them when all his other usages of it were at further range and relied on him putting his hands out. Trying to use them at such close range would be less beneficial when it'd provide more chances of being hit.

But if we consider that Chaoz at that time should have a much greater power than before, his self-destruction should be much stronger than before.

Piccolo didn't know that though. It was only after Chaozu got beaten down and took some hits from Yamcha and Tenshinhan that he became aware that the humans had become significantly stronger from Kaio's training.

So what Power Level would you give them 4 at that time?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Piccolo would probably be lucky to even break 3k even without weights (maybe boost him up to his 3.5k Daizenshuu entry if being very generous), with Yamcha/Tenshinhan not being much higher than 2-2.5k and Chaozu being far below them.

 

[SIAD]

Piccolo would probably be lucky to even break 3k even without weights (maybe boost him up to his 3.5k Daizenshuu entry if being very generous), with Yamcha/Tenshinhan not being much higher than 2-2.5k and Chaozu being far below them.

And do you think that Chaoz (hitting Gregory) doesn't necessarily make him stronger than Tenshinan (Arc Saiyan), but that Chaoz at that time was more used than Tenshinan in being at that level of gravity? So in that case, as the Humans beat Bubbles and beat Gregory, it just shows their personal progress and doesn't compare them to each other?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Going by pamphlet entries on Gregory's power, he'd still be above 1.1k, though he needn't have surpassed Saiyan Arc Tenshinhan just yet when he'd had time to get accustomed to the gravity. Yamcha was sweating and making note of how difficult it was to walk around in 10x gravity despite a Goku that likely hadn't surpassed Raditz managing to handle it fairly well once he took off his weighted clothing. Gravity endurance isn't really a linear measurement of power, something the Boo Arc made apparent with both Base Trunks and Pui Pui.

 

[Pakl]

Gregory is non canon but if you talk about the anime then it's a cluster crap of contradictions. Movie 3 was revealed at the time of the humans hitting Gregory so I dunno. For all we know they can be at that level or stronger or weaker.

 

[SIAD]

[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] Do you think Piccolo got a little stronger in the time lapse between the time they arrived on the Planet of Kaiosama and when they faced Piccolo VS Humans?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

@Captain Cadaver Do you think Piccolo got a little stronger in the time lapse between the time they arrived on the Planet of Kaiosama and when they faced Piccolo VS Humans?

Possibly, considering the anime combined with guidebook entries for Jadoshin, Bubbles and Gregory suggest Goku had gotten to 1k at that point. It's not as though it'd contradict their performance against Gregory either considering Yamcha was seemingly having a more difficult time with the gravity than Goku did when first arriving after removing his weighted clothing despite most likely being stronger.

Gregory is non canon but if you talk about the anime then it's a cluster crap of contradictions.

Except there's no actual contradictions when it comes to Gregory's power in the anime, making this part irrelevant.

 

[SIAD]

@Captain Cadaver Do you think Piccolo got a little stronger in the time lapse between the time they arrived on the Planet of Kaiosama and when they faced Piccolo VS Humans?

Possibly, considering the anime combined with guidebook entries for Jadoshin, Bubbles and Gregory suggest Goku had gotten to 1k at that point. It's not as though it'd contradict their performance against Gregory either considering Yamcha was seemingly having a more difficult time with the gravity than Goku did when first arriving after removing his weighted clothing despite most likely being stronger.

Gregory is non canon but if you talk about the anime then it's a cluster crap of contradictions.

Except there's no actual contradictions when it comes to Gregory's power in the anime, making this part irrelevant.

So these numbers seem fine to you:

Piccolo (upon reaching the Planet of Kaiosama) = 3,250

Piccolo (at the time he is facing Humans) = 3,500

Are those numbers okay with you?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Sure. There's nothing outright contradicting them.

 

[GSM123]

[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] shouldn’t they all be crazy strong given they made bigger gains than Goku and hitting Gregory is one of the main steps on Kaio’s training?

But on the other hand, they shouldn’t even get stronger to begin with since they were already above Gregory and Bubbles upon arrival. This is so confusing.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

@Captain Cadaver shouldn’t they all be crazy strong given they made bigger gains than Goku and hitting Gregory is one of the main steps on Kaio’s training?

The anime doesn't treat them as making crazy gains from this portion of the training, with Piccolo scoffing at the idea of the training and being shocked at their later improvement despite observing their performance, something that wouldn't be the case if they were all massively stronger than at their time of death.

But on the other hand, they shouldn’t even get stronger to begin with since they were already above Gregory and Bubbles upon arrival. This is so confusing.

They were, though it's clear Yamcha struggled with the gravity more than Goku, hence the difficulty they'd have in the training despite their power. That, and the anime treats the bulk of their improvements as being more so from whatever training they did later.