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Are they 21st Budokai level?
How Strong Are Spopovitch and Yamu Compare To Pre Z Fighters?
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Lord :bitch >> Bottom Bitch Yamu > :fearless
In seriousness, I see no reason to refute the flight aura argument, seeing as how the presentation of such an aura correlating with a minimum battle power seems pretty consistent with what has been shown in the series, with BoZ Galu and Saiyan Arc Gohan/Kuririn shown to not possess one whilst Goku's post-Kaio self does, showing it to be more than just artistic liberties. Spopovich and Yamu being in the 2k range like the weakest known possessors of flight auras, Freeza's soldiers, would line up with Babidi's confidence in them stealing energy when he had intel from Dabura on the power of Earthlings from 300 years ago, at which point fighters comparable to Roshi or Taopaipai still roamed in a not overly rare quantity.
That said, they solo Part 1.
As for the Videl question, assuming Spopovich was heavily suppressed as he was when firing the Ki blast cancels that out. I don't see him letting his neck get broken as an indicator when how casually and naturally he snapped it back into place shows he was in no way concerned for his well being and therefore percieved Videl as a complete non-threat.
In seriousness, I see no reason to refute the flight aura argument, seeing as how the presentation of such an aura correlating with a minimum battle power seems pretty consistent with what has been shown in the series, with BoZ Galu and Saiyan Arc Gohan/Kuririn shown to not possess one whilst Goku's post-Kaio self does, showing it to be more than just artistic liberties. Spopovich and Yamu being in the 2k range like the weakest known possessors of flight auras, Freeza's soldiers, would line up with Babidi's confidence in them stealing energy when he had intel from Dabura on the power of Earthlings from 300 years ago, at which point fighters comparable to Roshi or Taopaipai still roamed in a not overly rare quantity.
That said, they solo Part 1.
As for the Videl question, assuming Spopovich was heavily suppressed as he was when firing the Ki blast cancels that out. I don't see him letting his neck get broken as an indicator when how casually and naturally he snapped it back into place shows he was in no way concerned for his well being and therefore percieved Videl as a complete non-threat.
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How strong do you think he is?
Videl still couldn't soundly one-shot a muscular-type rubber, besides worrying Gohan when the other rubber pulled off a gun to take her. Meanwhile, BoDB Goku, with a battle power of 10, could soundly one-shot a bear-bandit that seemed bigger than the guy Videl was fighting, take gun bullets, throw cars (albeit with some problems), besides other superhuman feats, like smashing a rather big rock. So, I think we can safely presume Videl's battle power was lower than 10, like an 8 or so.
Still she could break Spopovich's neck when kicking him and give him some problems before her stamina begun to falter. It's true that Spopovich seemed aware of his ability to put his neck back into place, but he seemed somewhat surprised/scared when Videl managed to break it, as seen by his face... which implies he didn't simply let Videl break it. He held-back in the blast so Videl wouldn't be killed, but Videl seemed considerably injured by then, and that was the only thing Vegeta implied he did hold back. So, while he is stronger than Videl (I'm not contesting that), it didn't seem to be by a behemot, enough that he couldn't tank her -- à la Semi Cell on #16 --. So I wouldn't be surprised if Spopovich were like at BoDB Goku's level, just slightly stronger, like an 11 or so.
It's true that he had a flight aura when heading to Babidi's spaceship, but Goku and Piccolo in the BoZ when pursuing Raditz using the Dragon radar didn't have one, so unless you think Spopovich's stronger than Goku and Piccolo and closing on the 1,000 mark, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. Besides, Ultimate Gohan didn't have an aura when approaching the battlefield and suppressed though he was, he was still strong enough for Piccolo to notice that whoever was approaching had a great battle power -- and it's absurd to think he'd make such comment to someone at Spopovich's level.
Btw, that's my take on Spopovich's -- and Yamu's -- battle power. It obviously doesn't matter too much since Spopovich's role is far from important, he served basically to add some suspense to the Tenkaichi Budokai and to bait everyone to the spaceship, but still comparing him to Dragon Ball characters is kinda fun imo.
Videl still couldn't soundly one-shot a muscular-type rubber, besides worrying Gohan when the other rubber pulled off a gun to take her. Meanwhile, BoDB Goku, with a battle power of 10, could soundly one-shot a bear-bandit that seemed bigger than the guy Videl was fighting, take gun bullets, throw cars (albeit with some problems), besides other superhuman feats, like smashing a rather big rock. So, I think we can safely presume Videl's battle power was lower than 10, like an 8 or so.
Still she could break Spopovich's neck when kicking him and give him some problems before her stamina begun to falter. It's true that Spopovich seemed aware of his ability to put his neck back into place, but he seemed somewhat surprised/scared when Videl managed to break it, as seen by his face... which implies he didn't simply let Videl break it. He held-back in the blast so Videl wouldn't be killed, but Videl seemed considerably injured by then, and that was the only thing Vegeta implied he did hold back. So, while he is stronger than Videl (I'm not contesting that), it didn't seem to be by a behemot, enough that he couldn't tank her -- à la Semi Cell on #16 --. So I wouldn't be surprised if Spopovich were like at BoDB Goku's level, just slightly stronger, like an 11 or so.
It's true that he had a flight aura when heading to Babidi's spaceship, but Goku and Piccolo in the BoZ when pursuing Raditz using the Dragon radar didn't have one, so unless you think Spopovich's stronger than Goku and Piccolo and closing on the 1,000 mark, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. Besides, Ultimate Gohan didn't have an aura when approaching the battlefield and suppressed though he was, he was still strong enough for Piccolo to notice that whoever was approaching had a great battle power -- and it's absurd to think he'd make such comment to someone at Spopovich's level.
Btw, that's my take on Spopovich's -- and Yamu's -- battle power. It obviously doesn't matter too much since Spopovich's role is far from important, he served basically to add some suspense to the Tenkaichi Budokai and to bait everyone to the spaceship, but still comparing him to Dragon Ball characters is kinda fun imo.
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Merged the topic with a recent one due to having essentially the same core theme.
As for ahill's response, I've already covered the Videl part. Going on to the Gohan comparison, I don't believe that means much. Regardless of how powerful a fighter is, their flight aura only ever becomes present when moving at their top speed from what has been shown in the series. The fact that Videl was clearly drawn without one in the same chapter as the two Majins shows this wasn't just an artistic decision on Toriyama's part, but an intentional way of conveying a threshold to some degree, presenting quite a gap between Videl and Lord :bitch.
As for ahill's response, I've already covered the Videl part. Going on to the Gohan comparison, I don't believe that means much. Regardless of how powerful a fighter is, their flight aura only ever becomes present when moving at their top speed from what has been shown in the series. The fact that Videl was clearly drawn without one in the same chapter as the two Majins shows this wasn't just an artistic decision on Toriyama's part, but an intentional way of conveying a threshold to some degree, presenting quite a gap between Videl and Lord :bitch.
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Showing Spopovich with an aura when Videl lacked one could just of mean that -- Spopovich >> Videl, which I didn't contest. I have only contested the length of the gap, which doesn't seem to be that large considering Spopovich couldn't really tank Videl, whereas fighters possessing not even nearly the same advantage a Raditz+ tier opponent would have on Videl could soundly tank the other one (e.g Semi Cell vs #16 and Perfect Cell vs Vegeta). Like I said, while you could argue that Spopovich just did let Videl to break his neck since he was aware of his ability à la Super Boo allowing his body to be pierced with bullet guns since he knew he could regenerate, Spopovich's reaction to Videl's feat, plus his apparent effort in trying to fend off Videl, would imply this wasn't the case:Captain Cadaver said:
Heck, he was also bleeding from her attacks, which doesn't seem to indicate that humongous of a gap, considering not even Semi Cell did bleed when #16 attacked him.
True that Gohan wasn't going all out, but he still was strong enough to warrant a reaction from Piccolo, who was even worried at the prospect of him being another enemy. Characters like Cell have also shown an aura when reveled up but still not at full power... I don't see why it'd be different with auras.
Furthermore, while I do concede that Babidi thinking Spopovich could get the enough energy might say something, he also knew those three powerful guys who had energy, according to him, enough to fill up the Boo meter, would be there... and he sure as hell would expect them to be able to defeat Spopovich, otherwise Spopovich would be also a candidate to get his energy taken. Still, he was expecting Spopovich to get the energy... chalk that up to Boo's messed up writing, or maybe Babidi thought Kaioshin would allow Spopovich to take out the energy so he could find their spaceship. Doesn't mean much, I'd say, not enough to tell Spopovich was stronger than the guys from three hundreds years ago.
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I'd say that reaction is pretty understandable for any former human who had just gotten their neck broken for the first time, regardless of the gap. As for the bleeding, I don't think that means much when assuming supression, unless you're also suggesting Vegeta's Final Flash and MSSJ Goku were on par with Perfect Cell's full power.
The case you brought up with Cell's aura is a pretty good one, though you'd also have to prove Gohan was using his full effort at that level of suppression rather than going at a more standard pace. Whilst a meta analysis, the Cell case also has to factor in that his full power was an asspull, considering that otherwise made Cell a liar when saying Grade 3 Trunks was above him and lessens the point of the latter's flaw when Cell could oneshot him with a simple power up.
You're right on Babidi's calculations making Gero seem like the God King of mathematics, though given the context, I'd say both points balance out when looking at the context. It's most likely Babidi believed those 3 would fill up the other half due to simply basing it on the amount gathered from what he'd assume to be probably several hundred humans at best, rather than using a more accurate comparative, as well as the fact that they were people Shin had brought to protect himself. In other words, Babidi's initial judgement of Shin's potential allies was even more of an underestimation than the one we actually see. I'd say that when combined with the flight aura argument, whilst not flawless, that and the Dabura scouting form quite a good synergy in making Spopo and Yamu fairly relevant to early Z.
The case you brought up with Cell's aura is a pretty good one, though you'd also have to prove Gohan was using his full effort at that level of suppression rather than going at a more standard pace. Whilst a meta analysis, the Cell case also has to factor in that his full power was an asspull, considering that otherwise made Cell a liar when saying Grade 3 Trunks was above him and lessens the point of the latter's flaw when Cell could oneshot him with a simple power up.
You're right on Babidi's calculations making Gero seem like the God King of mathematics, though given the context, I'd say both points balance out when looking at the context. It's most likely Babidi believed those 3 would fill up the other half due to simply basing it on the amount gathered from what he'd assume to be probably several hundred humans at best, rather than using a more accurate comparative, as well as the fact that they were people Shin had brought to protect himself. In other words, Babidi's initial judgement of Shin's potential allies was even more of an underestimation than the one we actually see. I'd say that when combined with the flight aura argument, whilst not flawless, that and the Dabura scouting form quite a good synergy in making Spopo and Yamu fairly relevant to early Z.
