How Strong Is Vegetto?

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Immediately after fusing, Vegetto has to transform. This implies that he's still too weak to go up against Boohan in his base transformation. There is no other reasonable explanation. Additionally, the Anime doesn't matter because it has Goku & Kid Boo even greater than Vegetto:

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Boohan > Vegetto Base

Super Vegetto blocks a Chi attack from Boo with a-lot of effort. He has to prepare himself for the Chi blast and his facial appearance expresses effort.

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After trying to attack Vegetto, Boohan is met with a kick from Super Vegetto. Even with his speed intermingling with the force of the blow, Boohan only draws blood.

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After-wards, Vegetto grabs Majin Boo's leg and throw him to the Earth with effort. His mouth is wide open and his face is perplexed.

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Vegetto implies that Boohan can follow his movements if he grasped ki strength & movement. It seems that despite becoming Super Boo and being able to sense Ki, he still hasn't mastered this. Additionally, the only reason Vegetto seemed to own Super Boo here is because Boo believed Vegetto would be unable to track him if he couldn't see him. Boo was completely taken off guard in this little scuffle.

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Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P13.1
Context: Boo surrounds himself in smoke, but Vegetto can still beat up on him anyway
Vegetto: “The important thing is to grasp ki strength and movement. You track me with your eyes, so you can’t follow my movements.”

Here is a feat that accurately depicts where Super Vegetto's true strength is. He's never been able to tank a single attack from Super Boo and makes an effort to get out of the way of the Super Ghost Kamikaze attack. He manages to fight Boohan with his legs, with is reminiscient of the Kid Boo versus Good Boo fight, or the Frieza (60 Mill) versus Goku (30 Mill) fight. This feat can be performed with a gap of a mere 2x.

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Chapter: 505 (DBZ 311), P6.6
Context: Vegetto blocks Boo’s attacks with his legs
Vegetto: “Look, look! What’s the matter!? My legs alone are more than enough to deal with the likes of you!”

Super Vegetto wasn't quick enough to avoid Majin Boo's Candy attack. Even Kid Boo was able to avoid this when Good Boo used it on him.

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After all the evidence is taken into account, IMO the feats hold truer to how large the gap really is, as opposed to fan theories such as:

a) Vegetto planned to be absorbed.
Counter: Toriyama makes things up as he goes along. So it's likely he didn't plan this out at first. The feats that depict Vegetto's effort don't have anything to do with what Vegetto actually planned.

The gap seems to be much smaller than originally thought. IMO it's only within the scale of 2-5x, or perhaps somewhere in between. It's definitely not within the range of 40-50x.
 

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You legitimately believe that Super Vegetto didn't have a didn't have a ridiculous advantage over Super Boo?
 

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Uchiha said:
You legitimately believe that Super Vegetto didn't have a didn't have a ridiculous advantage over Super Boo?
Based upon the effort he displayed whenever he attacked Boo? No. Not at large as you make it appear to be, or else Toriyama would have drawn it that way. The gap seemed a little larger than Ultimate Gohan's gap against Super Boo. However, if you can bring scans or translations to prove your point, it may sound a little more convincing.
 

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h0kuten said:
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I disagree that Vegito being weaker than Boo.
There is no evidence for you to prove that.
There is evidence, though admittedly it is weak. Vegetto states that he was suppressed against Boo while in SSJ, so perhaps his Base form was suppressed too.

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=9097573&t=8515034
 

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I can't fathom anyone reading that fight and not thinking vegetto has an overwelming advantage on buu.

He even tells buu to make him go all out, something that never happens, so the fight was that one sided and vegetto wasn't even trying.
 

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h0kuten said:
Demon Saiyan said:
I disagree that Vegito being weaker than Boo.
There is no evidence for you to prove that.
Vegito turn into SSJ so that he can toy Boo around and force Boo to absorbed him. He can't toy him in base form.
 

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Demon Saiyan said:
h0kuten said:
Demon Saiyan said:
I disagree that Vegito being weaker than Boo.
There is no evidence for you to prove that.
Vegito turn into SSJ so that he can toy Boo around and force Boo to absorbed him. He can't toy him in base form.
You pulled that out of your ass
 

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EDIT.

Sorry misread the title. The only evidence is base Vegito quickly transforming into a Ssj, besides that everything else is up for interpretations. I think it all depends on how much of a gap do people have with Evil Buu and Gotenks and Gohan absorbed Buu and if you have base Vegito being above Ssj3 Gogeta and what do you have for fusion multipliers for both methods potara and dance.
 

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The only really credible argument about base vegetto being stronger is that he was so overwelming in SSJ that he'd have to be stronger in base.

Basically the same argument people use for post ROSAT SSJ vegetta being stronger than semi-perfect cell. He doesn't need to transform but does so anyway.
 

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There's no implication or statement that he's stronger than Boo without Super Saiyan either.
 

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Weaker than Beerus


Burden of proof on yours to prove Base Vegetto is stronger
 

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We all know that the manga is more canon than the anime, but for some reason everyone forgets that when they're talking about Vegetto, including me. I'm glad someone brought this up.

Also, the anime says Kid Buu is the most dangerous Buu, not the strongest, and they're right. I'm not saying Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan, that would be like comparing Roshi to Nappa. But you have to face facts. One of them destroyed the Earth, and one stood around posturing and paid the price.
 

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Demon Saiyan said:
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Vegito need SSj to toy Boo around not to defeat him which his base form couldn't do.
Burden of proof is on you.

The gap between 1rst Form Frieza (Suppressed) & Nail is large than the Super Vegetto vs Boohan gap.
 
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