How strong were Bardock's companions?
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They were strong enough to earn recognition from Zarbon for conquering Kanassa 1 month earlier than expected, though that's about it. He said they weren't anything special individually, but presented "incredible power" as a team, which is quite vague when he still didn't consider them a present threat and they got massacred by Dodoria's squad of fighters easily below 10k.
It's worth noting Toma killed the Kanassan Bardock got caught off-guard by, though that feat doesn't really measure up when it's shown later Toma is nowhere near Bardock's level unless you believe he got a YUGE Zenkai.
The most we have to go on are the Carddass battle powers for them, which are:
Toma - 5,000
Panbukin - 4,200
Totepo - 4,000
Seripa - 2,000
It's worth noting Toma killed the Kanassan Bardock got caught off-guard by, though that feat doesn't really measure up when it's shown later Toma is nowhere near Bardock's level unless you believe he got a YUGE Zenkai.
The most we have to go on are the Carddass battle powers for them, which are:
Toma - 5,000
Panbukin - 4,200
Totepo - 4,000
Seripa - 2,000
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Not only do official sources contradict your conclusion, but the fact that Bardock was able to debunks the stance that they couldn't get so far from being low class, especially when it's blatantly obvious low class Saiyans aren't determined by their power in adulthood when Vegeta still constantly refers to Goku as low class during the Freeza Arc.Hector said:
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That was the point of the movie. To show how awesome Bardock was, having become so strong despite being low class. The others were just low class and nothing more. They were defeated by nameless soldiers of the Freeza army and I don't think those soldiers were stronger than those Freeza took along to Namek and were defeated by 3k Namek warriors.
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That wasn't the point of the film at all. If anything, the point was to show how insignificant Bardock was in the grand scheme of things. Zarbon never singles him out for his abilities either and refers to them as a collective, so saying Bardock was the sole exception amongst them wouldn't be accurate. Moreover, nothing outright contradicts the Carddass ratings of them. Actual evidence >> fan opinion.Hector said:
Dodoria's men were able to deal damage to Bardock when they hit him, so they definitely aren't as weak as you're making them out to be.
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Your point being?
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They clearly do in order to do any damage to Bardock, not to mention official sources debunk that for reasons already elaborated on.Hector said:
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He coughed up some spit when gut punched by what seemed to be the leader of those soldiers. It may not be much damage, but it's still something.
Regardless, you have yet to prove any validity to your main point when the Carddass entries contradict the idea of Bardock's group being as weak as you imply and nothing contradicts their ratings. Moreover, Toma was capable of killing someone agile enough to take Bardock by surprise, so unless you believe Bardock received a huge Zenkai, Bardock being the only Saiyan there of any significance clearly doesn't work. It's also worth noting we never even saw Dodoria's men actively take down Bardock's group, considering we see Dodoria being the one to be putting in the work against Totepo and Toma.
Regardless, you have yet to prove any validity to your main point when the Carddass entries contradict the idea of Bardock's group being as weak as you imply and nothing contradicts their ratings. Moreover, Toma was capable of killing someone agile enough to take Bardock by surprise, so unless you believe Bardock received a huge Zenkai, Bardock being the only Saiyan there of any significance clearly doesn't work. It's also worth noting we never even saw Dodoria's men actively take down Bardock's group, considering we see Dodoria being the one to be putting in the work against Totepo and Toma.
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Captain Cadaver said:
So going by this how strong do you think Bardock was on Kanassa? He was still treated as the leader of the group prior to his Zenkai. 6-7,000? Bardock being able to survive Dodoria's blast tells me that his Zenkai couldn't have been that yuge. And yea, I don't see any problem with those numbers. It was made evident that Dodoria's squad weren't ordinary soldiers.
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Considering the doctors said there was no physical damage, it couldn't have been that big if even of any significance. The Kanassan being able to get behind him yet still be killed by Toma could be due to his injuries essentially making him a glass cannon, which wouldn't be too farfetched when we saw one Kanassan capable of scratching Oozaru Panbukin with a simple Ki blast.
Assuming Bardock did get a large Zenkai just to make things more consistent and simple, probably around 6k or so.
Assuming Bardock did get a large Zenkai just to make things more consistent and simple, probably around 6k or so.
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The doctor explicitly says there's no damage to his body and what damage he had was purely psychological.
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