How strong would Gokhan be and other questions

[Ultimate Cell]

So I've been thinking about how strong the hypothetical fusion would be. And I got some questions for it too. Would Gokhan be able to stack SSJ on top of his ultimate form? Would he be stronger than Vegito or be weaker because of the whole rivals boost? Just in general how strong is he?

 

[ahill1]

Elder Kaioshin stated he'd be plenty against Bootenks even in base, so his SSJ state would prolly be way above Boohan just like Vegetto.

Goku firstly asked if they should turn into SSJs before fusion and was told by the Elder that Gokhan could still be a SSJ after fusing, so Gokhan likely could turn into a SSJ even after the fusion.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Even though the rival boost is implied to be significant, it would be a huge stretch to say it's anything to the extent that it can make the fusion of two people astronomically weaker than Ultimate Gohan to surpass the fusion between the latter and Goku. That, and who's to say a fusion between two people which have 75% the same DNA wouldn't produce a similar boost of its own?

If we lowball Base Gokhan's power by going by the current canon's choice of Ultimate being a form rather than Gohan's power in general, I'd say the Z-Sword training alone would still place him at several times stronger than Vegetto in the same form.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Even though the rival boost is implied to be significant, it would be a huge stretch to say it's anything to the extent that it can make the fusion of two people astronomically weaker than Ultimate Gohan to surpass the fusion between the latter and Goku. That, and who's to say a fusion between two people which have 75% the same DNA wouldn't produce a similar boost of its own?

If we lowball Base Gokhan's power by going by the current canon's choice of Ultimate being a form rather than Gohan's power in general, I'd say the Z-Sword training alone would still place him at several times stronger than Vegetto in the same form.

Goku did think that a fusion between him and Mr. Satan would barely raise his power level. So it could be argued that a hypothetical Gokhan would barely get any stronger, Goku is just so much weaker than Gohan.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Goku did think that a fusion between him and Mr. Satan would barely raise his power level. So it could be argued that a hypothetical Gokhan would barely get any stronger, Goku is just so much weaker than Gohan.

Whilst that's true, the gap between he and Satan in terms of both power and general Ki control is astronomically greater than that between he and Gohan, so I doubt the gap between them would be so debilitating on their fusion's power, not to mention Elder Kaioshin already saying Base Gokhan would be enough to easily deal with an opponent who tooled Gohan would debunk that line of reasoning.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Old Kaioshin said Vegetto was definitely "the strongest" when talking about him to Kibitoshin. That would include an hypothetical Gokhan.
Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3
Context: as Vegetto beats up on Gohan-absorbed Boo
Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.”

Honestly I'm not sure how it works. Gohan clearly can't transform since he's got no more power to draw, but would Gokhan? He's a different person altogether, one that didn't go through Elder Kaioshin's ritual. I suppose the gap between Goku and Gohan and the lack of a rival boost would contribute for Vegetto being a superior fusion.

who's to say a fusion between two people which have 75% the same DNA wouldn't produce a similar boost of its own?

Who to say it would?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Old Kaioshin said Vegetto was definitely "the strongest" when talking about him to Kibitoshin. That would include an hypothetical Gokhan.

He could have simply been talking about as the situation was though, which wouldn't take into account hypotheticals.

Gohan clearly can't transform since he's got no more power to draw, but would Gokhan?

Elder Kaioshin seems to think so, and I'd trust his word on the matter over anyone else's in Universe 7.

Who to say it would?

Whilst the rules of Potara are shaky, it would seem a bit contrived that the only additional boost that could be provided would be from rivals, especially when Goku and Vegeta is a very one-sided rivalry at that.

 

[Pyro]

What we know:

- Gokhan would shit stomp Gotenks-Boo without transforming.
- Gokhan could use Super Saiyan despite Ultimate Gohan's ambiguous ability to.
- Vegetto was apparently the "strongest"—"strongest" regarding what exactly, we do not know for sure. Could be of any potential fusions, could be current beings, could be potential fusions of Goku and Vegeta specifically, also eat my ass.

Assuming Vegetto was meant to be superior to Gokhan in all regards, that would put his Base power in another league from even Gohan-Boo, something the anime filler didn't even particularly follow through with. Gokhan would rape Gohan-Boo as well, but may not be too far ahead that he could get past Boo's regeneration on a basic level.

Assuming Vegetto was the strongest of the beings currently around, or between Metamoran and Potara mergers of Goku and Vegeta, that would leave room for Gokhan to be on par with or moderately ahead of Gohan-Boo with Vegetto being anywhere you want so long as his Super Saiyan would still stomp said version of Boo.

I personally like the second interpretation just because it sounds a bit more ridiculous for someone as powerful as Ultimate Gohan to merge with Goku and still be behind a merger of Goku and a relative weakling like Vegeta.

10,000 + 1 = 10,001 * Z becoming 100,000,000 makes more sense than 1 + 1 = 2 * Z becoming 300,000,000.

:nickyoung

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

He could have simply been talking about as the situation was though, which wouldn't take into account hypotheticals.

The subject of the talk was Potara and why Vegetto was so much more powerful than other fusions, so it seems rather obvious that an hypothetical Gokhan would be included here. I think that Legendario guidebook confirms Vegetto > Gokhan as well.

Whilst the rules of Potara are shaky, it would seem a bit contrived that the only additional boost that could be provided would be from rivals, especially when Goku and Vegeta is a very one-sided rivalry at that.

Even if there’s such thing as a family/genetic boost, the rival boost oughta be higher still. Goku and Vegeta’s rivalry is always making both of them push themselves to go further and further, what could carry to make a fusion of them rather strong as well. Goku Gohan’s father-son relationship doesn’t make them push each other nearly as much.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

The subject of the talk was Potara and why Vegetto was so much more powerful than other fusions, so it seems rather obvious that an hypothetical Gokhan would be included here. I think that Legendario guidebook confirms Vegetto > Gokhan as well.

That wouldn't really work with what else Elder Kaioshin presents. He states that Base Gokhan would be more than enough to easily beat Gotenks Boo, who shouldn't be too much weaker than Gohan Boo, who Base Vegetto should definitely be inferior to.

Also, the statement wasn't merely stating that the rival boost allows them to trump Potara fusion in general, but how it allowed for them to surpass what their power with the Potara would be without it. He also puts just as much emphasis on it being due to Goku and Vegeta's individual strength, which is nowhere near as great as Gohan's. I see little to suggest Elder Kaioshin wasn't simply talking about Vegetto within the vacuum of formed fusions such as Gotenks and Kibitoshin.

Even if there’s such thing as a family/genetic boost, the rival boost oughta be higher still. Goku and Vegeta’s rivalry is always making both of them push themselves to go further and further, what could carry to make a fusion of them rather strong as well.

This is something where what is shown doesn't really match up with what is stated. Goku may have been Vegeta's driving force for achieving further strength, but vice-versa can't really be said.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Base Gokhan is just a base without ultimate form at the top of it IMO. So his base form should be around Boohan and Base Vegito. Ultimate Gokhan is another discussion.

 

[PucketLovesMyDong]

Since it’s potara, don’t their powers stack rather than one having to suppress himself? More than likely Gokhan would be able to go SSJ and maybe even 2. That or do some crazy shit like Ultimate SSJ since Gohan had the ability and it’s Goku afterall.

Either way tho, Gokhan would’ve wiped the floor with Buutenks. Ultimate Gohan was able to smack Buu around on his own so, fused with Goku especially potara wise would be overkill.