How would you fix the character(s) in a remake ?
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I'd probably omit Goku's part about SSJ3 > fat boo, to avoid the whole "Goku didn't kill him when he had the chance" deal. I'd probably leave SSJ3's reveal to the fight against Kid Boo for that reason.
Apart from that, I'd like for Piccolo to stay competitive with the Saiyans.
Apart from that, I'd like for Piccolo to stay competitive with the Saiyans.
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I'd like to make the earthlings stay competitive, but i know it'd be wrong to steal the spotlight from the Saiyans.
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You know, i would kill Vegeta and keep Raditz alive too. I never understood how Goku was "Meh" to his brother but was, well... Like that with Vegeta.
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GreatSaiyaman123 said:
Well, to be fair, Goku had just met Raditz at the time, so his brother was basically a stranger to him. And the first things said brother did in less than 5 minutes upon their family reunion were to :
* Knock the hell out of his best friend.
* Reveal that Goku comes from a race of mass murderers
* Knee Goku in the stomach when he refused to join him.
* Kidnap his 4 years old son and threatened to kill him if he doesn't join his cause and slaughter thousands (IIRC) of humans in one hour.
And less than one hour later, he used his naivety in order to murder him, then tried to murder his son shortly afterwards. I don't blame Goku for wanting Raditz's head after all of that.
As for Vegeta...well, he was the strongest Saiyan at the time, so Goku was naturally more interested in fighting him than Raditz, who admitted that he was much weaker than him early in their fight. In retrospect, it was a poor decision (after all, AT needed an excuse to keep Vegeta alive, since he was too popular), but Goku did admitted that it was entirely selfish.
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Keedounan said:
Considering Goku literally spared the man who killed his best friend, ruled as a tyrant over the universe and destroyed not only his race, but multiple races trough the universe, sparing his brother who kidnapped his son and treatened to kill him isn't a big deal.
But i can understand why Raditz was killed off. They had no other choice other than killing him. Damn, even Goku had to die to stop Raditz.
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He could do a mystical fusion with the Z-sword in the RoSaT. 
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Idea of Gaslight said:Keedounan said:
Goku also spared Ginyu and Nappa though, he also gave Raditz a chance. It seems he got softer with puberty, orforgot about his many killings as a kid.
I forgot about that...well then, I guess training with the God of Earth for three years have something to do with it.
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I'd change and/or expand on the physiology of the races to get things started.
→ Saiyans would have a built-in zenkai ability and natural lust for battle because they don't gain as much, relatively-speaking, as other races through run-of-the-mill training. Once they've finished a training method, the progressive results decline sharply and soon plateau altogether. Like weight lifting. So in essence, Saiyans need to almost kill themselves in constant battles in order to get stronger.
→ Namekians, being of a more peaceful and mystical mind, would gain far more from their training because of their mind-to-muscle connection. Like weight lifting again, but with better results. Life-or-death battles aren't really a priority to these guys since they don't gain much from them, but they have regeneration if necessary.
→ Humans would be a mixture of the two aforementioned. They don't have near-death power-up abilities or an extreme lust for battle, but they do like competition (hence the Tenkaichi Budokais) and improving themselves as a whole. They also tend to pick up on training methods quickly and find ways to tweak them for maximum efficiency. The only real downside is that their bodies are fragile, and thus they can't keep running into battles like Saiyans or train as hard as Namekians.
→ Saiyans would have a built-in zenkai ability and natural lust for battle because they don't gain as much, relatively-speaking, as other races through run-of-the-mill training. Once they've finished a training method, the progressive results decline sharply and soon plateau altogether. Like weight lifting. So in essence, Saiyans need to almost kill themselves in constant battles in order to get stronger.
→ Namekians, being of a more peaceful and mystical mind, would gain far more from their training because of their mind-to-muscle connection. Like weight lifting again, but with better results. Life-or-death battles aren't really a priority to these guys since they don't gain much from them, but they have regeneration if necessary.
→ Humans would be a mixture of the two aforementioned. They don't have near-death power-up abilities or an extreme lust for battle, but they do like competition (hence the Tenkaichi Budokais) and improving themselves as a whole. They also tend to pick up on training methods quickly and find ways to tweak them for maximum efficiency. The only real downside is that their bodies are fragile, and thus they can't keep running into battles like Saiyans or train as hard as Namekians.
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Most of my changes would be was intertwined with my scenario from the previous thread, though for the sake of the thread, I'll include character changes for the Cell/Boo Arcs. I'll just quickly provide a few notes as far as how each character would change.
Goku - Wouldn't spare Freeza or rant about being something that he only heard be vaguely mentioned. He would also be far more determined to defeat Cell, only having Gohan as a plan for a last resort due to his still mediocre experience. When it comes down to his actions in the Fat Boo fight, he'd also instead be taken aback by Fat Boo's techniques and realise he doesn't have enough time to defeat Boo. He also wouldn't just stand around whilst Boo prepares to absorb Gohan in the same manner he absorbed Gotenks (which he even saw), instead destroying one piece of Boo but being tricked with that piece being a feint. At the end of the manga, he also wouldn't abandon his family, with him instead offering to have Oob live with him and visiting his village on occassion.
Piccolo - Wouldn't be changed by Nail or Kami's influence, which made him artificially nicer (smiling and laughing with the others after Freeza's "defeat", kindly saying goodbye to Popo, etc.). Most importantly, he wouldn't forget to use something as valuable as the Mafuba in dire situations, often carrying it as a last resort. I'd avoid having him use it against Nappa and Freeza due to seeing how perceptive Vegeta was with warning Nappa about the Kienzan and the difference between he and true form Freeza being too astronomical for it to work respectively. I'd give him his own moment at the Cell Games in which he'd attempt to use it against Cell when Cell was focused on #16, but it failing, resulting in Piccolo's death and Gohan having a more believable driving force to him going SS2. He'd also think about using it against Boo, but decide not to due to needing to survive to tutor Goten and Trunks.
Vegeta - Wouldn't regress during the Cell Arc. Instead, it'd be shown that seeing that there could be more than one Super Saiyan would motivate him towards achieving it. Against Cell, he also initially wouldn't want Cell to transform, seeing it as an effortless way to become stronger. Instead, he'd tell Cell he'd need to prove he deserved it by launching Ki attacks at Cell as he attempted to find #18. Cell would also use the Taiyoken to offer a far more reasonable way for Vegeta letting Cell absorb #18 that aligns with his Namek Arc personality. Majin Vegeta would still happen, but it would be under Vegeta not just wanting to become stronger, but also wanting to show he had the mental fortitude to serve nobody as part of his Freeza PTSD.
Gohan - Against Cell, he wouldn't have any moral problem with killing Cell, since he killed for far less on Namek. Instead, his refusal to get angry would be more to do with him wondering if he could actually control such power for peace and not let it get to his head. By the Boo Arc, he'd have still trained enough to maintain his power due to honouring Goku's expectations of him, with it instead being his still lacking experience to be what stopped him from beating Dabura. He'd also counter Boo when Boo attempted to absorb him, given he shouldn't fall for the same trick he already saw, but Boo would divide his flesh into several pieces so that Gohan couldn't escape. At the end of the manga, he'd also be shown with the same resolution and balance to his character arc that he had in GT and what Super's attempting, with him being shown to be both a family man and fighter, sparring with Goku whilst also focusing heavily on his job.
Might cover a few more later.
Goku - Wouldn't spare Freeza or rant about being something that he only heard be vaguely mentioned. He would also be far more determined to defeat Cell, only having Gohan as a plan for a last resort due to his still mediocre experience. When it comes down to his actions in the Fat Boo fight, he'd also instead be taken aback by Fat Boo's techniques and realise he doesn't have enough time to defeat Boo. He also wouldn't just stand around whilst Boo prepares to absorb Gohan in the same manner he absorbed Gotenks (which he even saw), instead destroying one piece of Boo but being tricked with that piece being a feint. At the end of the manga, he also wouldn't abandon his family, with him instead offering to have Oob live with him and visiting his village on occassion.
Piccolo - Wouldn't be changed by Nail or Kami's influence, which made him artificially nicer (smiling and laughing with the others after Freeza's "defeat", kindly saying goodbye to Popo, etc.). Most importantly, he wouldn't forget to use something as valuable as the Mafuba in dire situations, often carrying it as a last resort. I'd avoid having him use it against Nappa and Freeza due to seeing how perceptive Vegeta was with warning Nappa about the Kienzan and the difference between he and true form Freeza being too astronomical for it to work respectively. I'd give him his own moment at the Cell Games in which he'd attempt to use it against Cell when Cell was focused on #16, but it failing, resulting in Piccolo's death and Gohan having a more believable driving force to him going SS2. He'd also think about using it against Boo, but decide not to due to needing to survive to tutor Goten and Trunks.
Vegeta - Wouldn't regress during the Cell Arc. Instead, it'd be shown that seeing that there could be more than one Super Saiyan would motivate him towards achieving it. Against Cell, he also initially wouldn't want Cell to transform, seeing it as an effortless way to become stronger. Instead, he'd tell Cell he'd need to prove he deserved it by launching Ki attacks at Cell as he attempted to find #18. Cell would also use the Taiyoken to offer a far more reasonable way for Vegeta letting Cell absorb #18 that aligns with his Namek Arc personality. Majin Vegeta would still happen, but it would be under Vegeta not just wanting to become stronger, but also wanting to show he had the mental fortitude to serve nobody as part of his Freeza PTSD.
Gohan - Against Cell, he wouldn't have any moral problem with killing Cell, since he killed for far less on Namek. Instead, his refusal to get angry would be more to do with him wondering if he could actually control such power for peace and not let it get to his head. By the Boo Arc, he'd have still trained enough to maintain his power due to honouring Goku's expectations of him, with it instead being his still lacking experience to be what stopped him from beating Dabura. He'd also counter Boo when Boo attempted to absorb him, given he shouldn't fall for the same trick he already saw, but Boo would divide his flesh into several pieces so that Gohan couldn't escape. At the end of the manga, he'd also be shown with the same resolution and balance to his character arc that he had in GT and what Super's attempting, with him being shown to be both a family man and fighter, sparring with Goku whilst also focusing heavily on his job.
Might cover a few more later.
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Might as well cover the villains now.
Piccolo Daimao - It would be fully explored how his experience of seeing humanity's darker aspects influenced the mindset of Daimao and the corruption of his original self, rather than have it be an off-hand statement from Kaio. Daimao would therefore be somewhat justified in using his reign as an experiment of humanity to test it's true nature and the climactic battle would be to him less a supervillain fighting a vengeful hero and moreso him attempting to prove humanity's worth, or lack thereof. However, Goku's disinterest in such moral complexities would force Daimao into acting as he did and see Goku as an example of what he was trying to prove and fight against, thereby making Piccolo's vendetta against him all the more poignant.
Freeza - His views of his father and his upbringing would be far more central, with it being fully explored that his pampered upbringing was the primary influence of his superiority complex, with his outbursts upon being surpassed being both due to what he was taught about being a superior being and outrage at the fact it seemed Cold lied to him. I'd also make some more of his family canon such as Coola or Kuriza, though not playing the roles they did in their own stories, as a means of offering more interactions and layers to Freeza's character.
Cell - As I've said many times, Cell had the potential to be the most complex and interesting main villain, but had the execution to make him the worst. Here, I'd have him live to his full potential by having the traits of Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta and Freeza constantly clashing against each other and affecting his internal logic. Like Saiyan Arc Piccolo, he'd begin to question his true objective and existential goals during his time alone waiting for the Cell Games and each match would influence his personality. The Goku within him would have him be made excited by his match with the original before the Vegeta and Freeza within him cause his superiority complex to become apparent. Gohan may also pity Cell as a being forced by his very nature to play a role that Gero puppeteered, offering an additional reason as to why he didn't get angry against Cell immediately. After SS2 Gohan stomps him, Cell's self destruction would be less about complete desperation and more to him wanting to prove Gero's perfect creation could overcome any obstacle. Once becoming Super Perfect Cell, he'd at first seem resolute on having an honourable battle with Gohan before his Vegeta/Freeza influence forces him to sneakily attack the fighters with a Shunkan Ido + Death Beam combo, resulting in Trunks' death. Things go the same from thereon, though it'd be established that Gohan had mixed feelings about killing Cell. He'd pity that Cell was forced to do this by his genetic makeup, but acknowledge there was no other way than to destroy him.
Boo - The split between his Good and Evil sides made his internal conflict external and childishly simplistic, as well as a ripoff of Kami and Piccolo. Instead, whilst I'd still have Evil Boo exist, it would instead be through Fat Boo adapting his body to fighting as a progression of him quickly learning techniques, with the gunman's actions being an influence on his change in character and not just a plot device. As such, he'd be far more merciful towards Satan and Videl, not killing the latter. Due to not being as smart as Evil Boo, his absorption of Gotenks and Piccolo would be presented more as a quickly improvised gamble rather than a thought out strategy. As such, Pure Boo is far more justified in his existence as Pure Evil Boo isn't a thing once Vegeta removes Fat Boo from his Pod, wherein it's established the Kaioshin weren't absorbed by Boo, but influenced his way of thinking to the point that he separated his personality into two groups of Fat and Pure; no longer simply good and evil, but of thought and instinct, nurture and nature.
Piccolo Daimao - It would be fully explored how his experience of seeing humanity's darker aspects influenced the mindset of Daimao and the corruption of his original self, rather than have it be an off-hand statement from Kaio. Daimao would therefore be somewhat justified in using his reign as an experiment of humanity to test it's true nature and the climactic battle would be to him less a supervillain fighting a vengeful hero and moreso him attempting to prove humanity's worth, or lack thereof. However, Goku's disinterest in such moral complexities would force Daimao into acting as he did and see Goku as an example of what he was trying to prove and fight against, thereby making Piccolo's vendetta against him all the more poignant.
Freeza - His views of his father and his upbringing would be far more central, with it being fully explored that his pampered upbringing was the primary influence of his superiority complex, with his outbursts upon being surpassed being both due to what he was taught about being a superior being and outrage at the fact it seemed Cold lied to him. I'd also make some more of his family canon such as Coola or Kuriza, though not playing the roles they did in their own stories, as a means of offering more interactions and layers to Freeza's character.
Cell - As I've said many times, Cell had the potential to be the most complex and interesting main villain, but had the execution to make him the worst. Here, I'd have him live to his full potential by having the traits of Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta and Freeza constantly clashing against each other and affecting his internal logic. Like Saiyan Arc Piccolo, he'd begin to question his true objective and existential goals during his time alone waiting for the Cell Games and each match would influence his personality. The Goku within him would have him be made excited by his match with the original before the Vegeta and Freeza within him cause his superiority complex to become apparent. Gohan may also pity Cell as a being forced by his very nature to play a role that Gero puppeteered, offering an additional reason as to why he didn't get angry against Cell immediately. After SS2 Gohan stomps him, Cell's self destruction would be less about complete desperation and more to him wanting to prove Gero's perfect creation could overcome any obstacle. Once becoming Super Perfect Cell, he'd at first seem resolute on having an honourable battle with Gohan before his Vegeta/Freeza influence forces him to sneakily attack the fighters with a Shunkan Ido + Death Beam combo, resulting in Trunks' death. Things go the same from thereon, though it'd be established that Gohan had mixed feelings about killing Cell. He'd pity that Cell was forced to do this by his genetic makeup, but acknowledge there was no other way than to destroy him.
Boo - The split between his Good and Evil sides made his internal conflict external and childishly simplistic, as well as a ripoff of Kami and Piccolo. Instead, whilst I'd still have Evil Boo exist, it would instead be through Fat Boo adapting his body to fighting as a progression of him quickly learning techniques, with the gunman's actions being an influence on his change in character and not just a plot device. As such, he'd be far more merciful towards Satan and Videl, not killing the latter. Due to not being as smart as Evil Boo, his absorption of Gotenks and Piccolo would be presented more as a quickly improvised gamble rather than a thought out strategy. As such, Pure Boo is far more justified in his existence as Pure Evil Boo isn't a thing once Vegeta removes Fat Boo from his Pod, wherein it's established the Kaioshin weren't absorbed by Boo, but influenced his way of thinking to the point that he separated his personality into two groups of Fat and Pure; no longer simply good and evil, but of thought and instinct, nurture and nature.
