Human power (Androids / Boo / BoG / FnF / EOZ)

[SIAD]

Arco Androids: Humans were strong enough to be a small help in the fight against two Androids that it SSJ Trunks (Trunks) feared. We can also see that the Android # 20 (Post Absorb attack and Vegeta) considered that if it absorbed the energy of Piccolo, Gohan, Krillin and Tien, could beat Vegeta SSJ.

Arco Boo: Not much is known yet, but we know that Tenshinhan was still training hard and this arc was probably much lower than Krillin, Krillin because it seems not train until after this Arco EOZ because it shows in EOZ it aged, for while Tenshinhan within those 10 years probably was still training. Still Krilin (EOZ)> Tien (EOZ). Nor should we forget that Krillin was not a sparring partner for The Android # 18 and not intimidated to accompany Kaioshin, knowing they would face against someone much more powerful than Kaioshin, in spite of knowing that any Kaioshin can defeat freezer one stroke. Only when Dabura appeared, Krillin decided to retire. I think that after Cell, Krillin train very hard, before joining The Android # 18 and if rival Android to join her. My thought is that humans Freezer exceeded 100%.

BoG: At least I think Krillin (BoG) = Krilin (Boo), because in EOZ Krilin seems older and simply maintain their power. Regarding Tien, Krillin and Yamcha increased their powers, because they do not seem to age in those years and therefore there was no great difference in power between them.

FnF: Eventhough it Krillin looked scared Freezer return, we see that even fearing a possible increase in power. Also we could see Piccolo relatively scared and even decided not to tell or danger Trunks and Goten, eventhough it is tremendously more powerful than Freezer (Namek). I also see Buf Roshi being in a similar Freezer level (Namek) because they defeated many of the soldiers (Post Workout), despite the fact that hundreds of them hurt Krillin and even forced Piccolo removed his heavy clothes. I Krillin, Tien, Yamcha and Chaozu equal to their counterparts in BoG.

EOZ: I have them at 4 equal to their counterparts in FnF.

  You guys think?

 

[Alin]

Sounds good.

I've felt that they've never passed 80 mirron or so.

 

[ahill1]

What do you think of Tenshinhan and Chaozu dodging Boo's attack while #17 seemingly died?

 

[SSJ2]

What do you think of Tenshinhan and Chaozu dodging Boo's attack while #17 seemingly died?

Nah but reallyI think that's just PIS.

 

[Papasmurf]

Don't think 17 died unless Fat Boo killed him

 

[SSJ2]

Then he should have fought Boo like Lord Tenshinhan did.

 

[ahill1]

A guy on DBZ Forum made a interesting point about it. Will try to find it.

 

[ahill1]

Here are the points made by a debater named Thiln on DBZF:

Tien did avoid Gero's Bionic Punisher attack. I have him pushing into the low millions as well. In fact, wouldn't this technically put him above Piccolo (post-Nail fusion) since the Namekian was unable to discern the patterns of Freeza's attacks despite Freeza being weaker than the cyborgs? You could make an argument for Vegeta after his final zenkai as well since it's doubtful he could follow Gero's attack patterns when it was taking effort for him to react to Freeza's Death Beams. Gero fits somewhere between 100% Freeza and Piccolo even after absorptions.

Also another interesting bit of information is the fact that Tien, and Chaozu for that matter, both avoided the Humanity Extermination Attack. This is what the Daizenshuu has to say about it.

Humanity Extermination Attack
First Appearance: Chapter 487
Category: ki manipulation
People: Majin Buu (evil)
Special Characteristics: A technique brought out by Majin Buu after he came to Kami’s temple following Piccolo and the others’ ki. He fires countless bending ki blasts from one hand, which wipe out the humans at the Earth’s surface. The only ones to evade this attack are Tenshinhan, Chaozu, as well as Mister Satan and Bee. Not understanding what he is seeing, Mister Satan says “Fireworks?...”. The currents of light that rained down upon the Earth are that intense. (Daizenshuu 2, p.216/Daizenshuu 4, p.112)

We can assume #17 was outside at the time of the attack because his cameo panel depicted him being out in the northern mountains with his gun in hand and a coat on. He's supposed to be a park ranger who deals with poachers so that would explain why he has the gun and is outside at the time. Given the description and characteristics of the technique, #17 must have surely seen it coming in such open expanse of land; the description even makes it a point to single out the distinctness of the attack. The one panel it shows of the attack hitting people conveys how some are able to see and even make an attempt at dodging/running from them.

What does this imply about Tien? Well call me crazy but it seems like he may have been more capable of dodging the attack than #17. I mean if humans could perceive them long enough to attempt something then surely to #17 they must have been standing still, yet the Daizenshuu directly suggests he was unable to survive it. It must have considerable power if it was able to kill #17 despite him possessing a powerful barrier ability; this is the same guy who came out completely unscathed from what must have been Android arc SSJ Future Trunks' most powerful attack and who's sister resisted SSJ Vegeta's Big Bang Attack with only superficial damage caused to her clothes.

Do want to know what's even crazier? Tien appears to have dodged the Humanity Extermination Attack with what resembles weighted training clothes on.

I believe that it was mentioned somewhere that the Daizenshuu also clarifies how Chaozu also wore weighted clothes up until the Buu arc. Chaozu! If Chaozu was indeed wearing weighted training clothes under his hanfu at the time of the attack then this might speak volumes to his own strength, and by extension, Krillin's as well.

This shows Tien and Chaozu sensing Goku's Ki while he's transforming against Fat Buu which happened a day before the extermination attack according to the manga's narrator and official timeline. Notice how Tien appears to be wearing similar apparel to Chaozu's? The terrain looks awfully similar to the area where Tien avoided the extermination attack in his dark weighted training tank top. What are the odds that they were looking for a place to train in the area? I believe it demonstrates how the duo can have both their hanfus and weighted clothing on at the same time. Why else would they be in what appears to be the same area where Tien had training garments on?

The above could hold a lot of implications for Krillin because he's confirmed to be the strongest human. You might be asking how this can be when he retired after the Cell arc. Well he didn't actually marry #18 until three years after the Cell Games. It's possible he could have continued training within that time frame. How he could go from being deemed unsuitable in proactively opposing Dr Gero to surpassing the guy who avoided an attack which apparently killed #17 is beyond me, though. What makes this more outrageous is Chaozu dodging the attack. Is this implying Chaozu is stronger than #17? It sounds crazy but feats are feats.

But he said he's still unsure about the situation.

 

[Animelover5487]

Arco Androids: Humans were strong enough to be a small help in the fight against two Androids that it SSJ Trunks (Trunks) feared. We can also see that the Android # 20 (Post Absorb attack and Vegeta) considered that if it absorbed the energy of Piccolo, Gohan, Krillin and Tien, could beat Vegeta SSJ.

Arco Boo: Not much is known yet, but we know that Tenshinhan was still training hard and this arc was probably much lower than Krillin, Krillin because it seems not train until after this Arco EOZ because it shows in EOZ it aged, for while Tenshinhan within those 10 years probably was still training. Still Krilin (EOZ)> Tien (EOZ). Nor should we forget that Krillin was not a sparring partner for The Android # 18 and not intimidated to accompany Kaioshin, knowing they would face against someone much more powerful than Kaioshin, in spite of knowing that any Kaioshin can defeat freezer one stroke. Only when Dabura appeared, Krillin decided to retire. I think that after Cell, Krillin train very hard, before joining The Android # 18 and if rival Android to join her. My thought is that humans Freezer exceeded 100%.

BoG: At least I think Krillin (BoG) = Krilin (Boo), because in EOZ Krilin seems older and simply maintain their power. Regarding Tien, Krillin and Yamcha increased their powers, because they do not seem to age in those years and therefore there was no great difference in power between them.

FnF: Eventhough it Krillin looked scared Freezer return, we see that even fearing a possible increase in power. Also we could see Piccolo relatively scared and even decided not to tell or danger Trunks and Goten, eventhough it is tremendously more powerful than Freezer (Namek). I also see Buf Roshi being in a similar Freezer level (Namek) because they defeated many of the soldiers (Post Workout), despite the fact that hundreds of them hurt Krillin and even forced Piccolo removed his heavy clothes. I Krillin, Tien, Yamcha and Chaozu equal to their counterparts in BoG.

EOZ: I have them at 4 equal to their counterparts in FnF.

  You guys think?

@Bold: We don't know when exactly Kuririn stopped training except that it was some time during the Boo arc. I think he could have been sparing with #18 before Maron was born. Who's to say Ten kept up with his training anyway? People just assume that because of his personality but I don't think there's any confirmation that he's always training.

None of the humans surpass Freeza. The humans were under the Base Saiyans in the Android arc and they have made no notable gains since then. Humans are Base Goku (Namek) tier imo.

 

[ekrolo2]

I just chalk up #17s death to the fact he can't detect ki while Tien and Chiaotzu can.

 

[Papasmurf]

I like to think he died in the explosion of Earth. Ki sense or no sense, a guy who's on par with Kamiccolo is going to be able to dodge something an ant and a shittier ant can dodge.

Either that, or fatty killed him as most of the population was dead already

 

[ahill1]

I like to think he died in the explosion of Earth. Ki sense or no sense, a guy who's on par with Kamiccolo is going to be able to dodge something an ant and a shittier ant can dodge.

Either that, or fatty killed him as most of the population was dead already

Well, Kaioshin states the only one to evade the attacks are Chaozu, Tenshinhan (and Mr. Satan/the dog, who didn't even have to dodge).

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

They're weak as hell.

 

[ekrolo2]

They're weak as hell.

Piccolo used Videl being Satan's kid to temporarily reason with him and Kid couldn't bring himself to hurt the guy until he got Fat Boo out of his system. Super Boo intentionally didn't hurt him.