Humans at Androids saga

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Where do you think they stand? When they were heading to the island, Krillin said he was afraid because
''we're not all Super Saiyans''. Does that imply humans rival Base Saiyans and the transformation is what
makes the difference? On the other hand, even that level of power would mean that, over the 3 years, the
humans have increased their power by tens of times, which blows away even their insane gains between
21st TB-22nd TB or 22nd TB-23rd TB (going by implied gaps, not official numbers). To kinda nerf such gains,
perhaps we could consider Tien/Yamcha continued having insane gains for as long as they remained with
King Kai, greatly surpassing Pre Nail Piccolo (who was implied to be around 265k when weighted), even
though that would place them highly above Krillin, despite what AT later said. Even so, we could also hax
Krillin by saying his boost from Guru hadn't got complete yet during the fight against Freeza.
Lastly, do you think we could give them kaioken to make them look more useful, considering Piccolo's
statement and them knowing that they must be at least 50% Freeza tier to be of help? I mean, if we place them
at a few millions and give them 20x kaioken, they could reach 50% Freeza.
 

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The humans have no need nor any sufficient evidence to place them near the Base Saiyans, let alone higher.

Base Saiyans > Piccolo (suppressed) > Gohan > Krillin > Tenshinhan > Yamcha

Even with Kaioken x20, I doubt they'd be useful to guys who likely start out stronger than 100% Organic Freeza.
 

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Then, by your logic, Krillin doesn't have to be above 25k at Freeza saga, despite Vegeta saying he would be
of help.
 

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That situation is the exact opposite. Not a single person said the humans would be of help in the androids arc. Piccolo actually told them to stay out of the way because they were weak.
 

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Pyrus Rex said:
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The humans have no need nor any sufficient evidence to place them near the Base Saiyans, let alone higher.

Base Saiyans > Piccolo (suppressed) > Gohan > Krillin > Tenshinhan > Yamcha

Even with Kaioken x20, I doubt they'd be useful to guys who likely start out stronger than 100% Organic Freeza.
Tenshinhan ~ Android arc base Goku:
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Tenshinhan ~ weighted Kamiccolo:<div class='spoiler_toggle'>Spoiler: click to toggle</div><div class="spoiler" style="display:none;">
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xmysticgohanx said:
Pyrus Rex said:
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The humans have no need nor any sufficient evidence to place them near the Base Saiyans, let alone higher.

Base Saiyans > Piccolo (suppressed) > Gohan > Krillin > Tenshinhan > Yamcha

Even with Kaioken x20, I doubt they'd be useful to guys who likely start out stronger than 100% Organic Freeza.
Tenshinhan ~ Android arc base Goku:
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That would mean Piccolo was lying when he called the humans garbage bins, and Gero was making things up when he implied Base Vegeta was the only reason anymore fighting would be even be semi-interesting.
 

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SSJ Vegetto said:
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The town was so close the travel speed difference didn't matter
 

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Gero was so close that the speed didn't matter either?
 

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Gohan ~ Krillin ~ Piccolo

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Would you waste that extra panel to show Goku dodging before Ten moves, then Ten dodging in the next panel? What could possibly be the point of that? They both dodged the beam, that's all we need to know.
 

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Didn't you say yourself that Krillin didn't have to be at the hundreds of thousands to be useful against Freeza?
 

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That's in a battle where his participation would be necessary though. Against the Artificial Humans, the humans' participation was purely optional.
 

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Didn't you say yourself that Krillin didn't have to be at the hundreds of thousands to be useful against Freeza?
I do not recall this, sir.
 
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