I made a PL list for Z

[Void]

[mention]GreatSaiyaman123[/mention] I finally made this after 2 or so months. you1 I'll do Super Later

Beginning of Z
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Goku - 336
w/o weights - 416
Kamehameha - 924

Piccolo - 322
w/o weights - 408
Makankosappo - 1330

Gohan - 1
salty - 710
enraged - 1307

Kuririn - 206

Tenshinhan - 250

Yamcha - 177

Roshi the rapist - 139


Raditz - ~1,300


Saiyans Arrive
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Gohan - 981
full power - 1,300
enraged - 2,800
weakened - 200
Oozaru - 2,000

Kuririn - 1,083
full power - 1,770
Splitting blast - 2,250
Genki Dama - 10,000

Yamcha - 1,480

Tenshinhan - 1,830
one arm - 915
weakened Kikoho - 4,575

Yajirobe - 970

Chaozu - 610
jihad - 3,050

Piccolo - 1,220
Full power - 2,500

Goku - 5,000
full power - 8,050
KK - 16,100
KKx3 - 24,150
Genki Dama - 100,000


Saibamen - 1,200

Nappa - 7,500

Vegeta - 18,000
post light ball - 9,000
Oozaru - 90,000
post Oozaru - 3,000
post Genki Dama - 1,200


Arrival on Namek
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Gohan - ~1,500
Full power - 2,000
potential unlocked - 14,000

Kuririn - ~1,500
full power - 2,000
potential unlocked - 13,000

Vegeta - 24,000
post Zarbon zenkai - ~30,000

Namekian fighters - 3,000


Cui - 18,000

Dodoria - 21,000

Zarbon - 22,500
monster - 29,000

Freeza - 530,000
suppressed - 200,000


Ginyu TOKUSENTAI
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Kuririn - 13,000
vs. Ginyu Goku - ~25,000

Gohan - 14,000
vs. Ginyu Goku - ~25,000

Vegeta - ~30,000
post Recoome - 150,000

Goku - 60,000
full power - 90,000
Kaio-Ken - 180,000
Kaio-Ken x10 - 900,000

Nail - 42,000


Gurd - 6,000

Reacoom - 40,000

Jheese - 40,000

Butta - 40,000

Captain Ginyu - 60,000
full power - 120,000

Freeza - 530,000
vs. Nail - 200,000


Battle with Freeza
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Krillin - 200,000

Gohan - 300,000
1st Rage - 1,000,000
Zenkai - 900,000
2nd Rage - 2,000,000

Piccolo - 260,000
hypothetical Kami merge - 520,000
merged with Nail - 1,300,000
w/o weights - 1,600,000

Vegeta - 480,000
Zenkai - 2,400,000

Goku - 2,700,000
full power - 3,000,000
KK x10 - 30,000,000
KK x20 - 60,000,000
Kamehameha - 65,000,000
SS - 150,000,000


Freeza
1st form - 530,000

2nd form - 1,060,000
power-up 1 - 1,220,000
power-up 2 - 1,440,000

3rd form - 2,050,000

Final form initial - 2,450,000
increased speed - 2,750,000
no hands - 3,100,000
50% - 70,000,000
100% - 140,000,000
losing power - 120,000,000


Future Trunks
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Goku Yardrat - 4,000,000
SS - 200,000,000

Trunks - 3,800,000
SS - 190,000,000

Vegeta - 3,600,000

Piccolo - 3,200,000

Gohan - 1,500,000

Krillin - 400,000

Tien - 300,000

Yamcha - 250,000


Mecha Freeza - 10,000,000
full power - 155,000,000

King Cold - 9,000,000
full power - 110,000,000


Androids arrive and Cell appears
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Goku - 6,200,000
SS - 310,000,000
Heart Virus - 200,000,000 and dropping

Vegeta - 6,400,000
SS - 320,000,000

Trunks - 5,700,000
SS - 285,000,000

Piccolo - 240,000,000
Suppressed - 5,000,000
weighted w/ Kami - 420,000,000
w/o weights - 480,000,000
post 17 and Cell beatdown - 320,000,000
Light Grenade - 800,000,000

Gohan - 4,500,000

Krillin - 2,800,000

Tien - 2,400,000

Yamcha - 2,000,000


Android #20 - 180,000,000
Vegeta's blast and Piccolo - 210,000,000

Android #19 - 150,000,000
Kamehameha absorbed - 200,000,000

Android #18 - 420,000,000

Android #17 - 460,000,000

Android No.16 - 950,000,000


Imperfect Cell - 360,000,000
Humans absorbed - 940,000,000


Room of Spirit and Time
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Imperfect Cell - 360,000,000
Humans absorbed - 940,000,000

Cell 17 absorbed - 2,000,000,000
Full power - 2,700,000,000


Vegeta RoSaT - 45,000,000
SS - 2,250,000,000
SS G2 - 3,937,000,000

Trunks RoSaT - 30,000,000
SS - 2,100,000,000
SS G2 - 3,675,000,000
SS G3 - 6,300,000,000


Perfect Cell initial - 3,500,000,000
"Warm up" - 5,000,000,000
Bulky vs Trunks - 9,000,000,000


Goku RoSaT - 400,000,000
About 50% FPSS - ~10,000,000,000


The Cell Games
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Goku RoSaT - 400,000,000
FPSS - 20,000,000,000

Trunks 2nd RoSaT - 295,000,000
(FP?)SS - 14,750,000,000

Vegeta 2nd RoSaT - 300,000,000
(FP?)SS - 15,000,000,000

Gohan RoSaT - 500,000,000
FPSS - 25,000,000,000
SS2 - 50,000,000,000

Piccolo - 460,000,000
post RoSaT - 11,000,000,000


Cell Juniors - ~15,000,000,000

Perfect Cell - 21,500,000,000
post IT Kamehameha - 17,000,000,000
"true speed" - 24,000,000,000
Full power - 36,000,000,000
post Gohan Kamehameha - 28,000,000,000
roid rage - 45,000,000,000
"Super" Perfect - 48,000,000,000


25th Tenkaichi Budokai and Babidi's Ship
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Gohan (Slacker) - 410,000,000
SS - 20,500,000,000
SS2 - 41,000,000,000

Vegeta - 480,000,000
SS - 24,000,000,000
SS2 - 48,000,000,000
Majin - 60,000,000,000

Goku - 600,000,000
SS - 30,000,000,000
SS2 - 60,000,000,000
SS3 - 240,000,000,000

Goten - 365,000,000
SS - 16,750,000,000

Trunks - 350,000,000
SS - 17,500,000,000

Piccolo - 11,500,000,000

Krillin - 3,000,000

No. 18 - 420,000,000

Kaioshin - 13,000,000,000
on Babidi's ship - 13,000,000
vs Boo - 13,000,000,000


Kibito - 250,000,000


Pocus - 100,000,000

Yakon - 800,000,000

Dabra - 20,500,000,000

Fat Boo - 23,000,000,000
1st power up - 40,000,000,000
2nd - 60,000,000,000
3rd - 215,000,000,000


Fusion
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Goten - 355,000,000
SS - 17,750,000,000

Trunks - 370,000,000
SS - 18,500,000,000

Gotenks - 5,000,000,000
SS Gotenks - 250,000,000,000

Gotenks RoSaT - 10,000,000,000
SS - 500,000,000,000
SS 2 - 1,000,000,000,000
SS 3 - 4,000,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan - 5,250,000,000,000


Fat Boo - 215,000,000,000

Boo of Pure Evil - 130,000,000,000

Mr. Boo - 85,000,000,000

Super Boo - 500,000,000,000
Full power - 3,750,000,000,000
Gotenks absorbed - 7,750,000,000,000
Gohan absorbed - 9,000,000,000,000


Kibitoshin - 40,000,000,000

Vegetto - 400,000,000,000
SS - 20,000,000,000,000
SS2 - 40,000,000,000,000
SS3 - 160,000,000,000,000

Vegeta - 600,000,000
SS - 30,000,000,000
SS2 - 60,000,000,000

Goku - 600,000,000
SS - 30,000,000,000
SS2 - 60,000,000,000
SS3 - 240,000,000,000


Pure Boo - 230,000,000,000

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Good list, though there's a few things I find a bit questionable in the Saiyan/Freeza Arcs, as well as a little for the Boo Arc.

Shouldn't Jihad Chaozu be above Piccolo? Big Green seemed to believe momentarily that the self destruction may have actually killed Nappa, after all.

Whilst a minor thing, I'd say Oozaru Vegeta and the Genki-Dama ought to be a lot lower. Goku saying he wouldn't be a match for the former with Kaioken x5 would seem to suggest those two Saiyan Arc top tiers should be closer to his x5 than x10. Whilst you could say Kaioken x5 was far more of a possibility, I wouldn't say so when his body was barely able to handle x4 for a moment. Having Vegeta lose most of his Ki from taking the Kaioken x4 Kamehameha is also a lot more plausible than losing his tail being the primary factor, not to mention fits with Galu rounding the power of the Genki he gave Kuririn to just "less than half" of the original.

Shouldn't the numbers for Gohan and Kuririn be swapped around? Along with what the Daiz gives them, there's the obvious fact of Gohan's potential being superior to Bald Meng.

Whilst an uncommon belief, I believe the 22 and 23k numbers for Dodoria and Base Zarbon work a lot better with character statements, given Zarbon only confirms Vegeta's power surpasses them once he reads his level as 24k. With your numbers, I guess you could easily argue that Zarbon . 22k > Dodoria means Zarbon had no reason to mention anything, but just thought I'd put it out there.

I'd personally swap around the numbers for Gohan's enraged and Zenkai self against 2nd form Freeza, given Vegeta's slight optimism once seeing how strong Gohan had become as opposed to not treating his rage boost as an absolute game changer.

Whilst the Shin/Piccolo/Base Saiyans/Yakon and Pui Pui debate is such a hot topic that it calls for a thread on it's own as it has since the dawn of DB debating, care to give a short take on your reasoning for Shin > Piccolo >>> Base Saiyans and argument against the alternate chains?

What's with Base Gotenks being so low? I know the multipliers likely play a role in that, but that shows they shouldn't remain a constant if clashing with the narrative, seeing as how several statements would point to Base Gotenks pre and post being far, far higher.

 

[Void]

Good list, though there's a few things I find a bit questionable in the Saiyan/Freeza Arcs, as well as a little for the Boo Arc.

Shouldn't Jihad Chaozu be above Piccolo? Big Green seemed to believe momentarily that the self destruction may have actually killed Nappa, after all.

Whilst a minor thing, I'd say Oozaru Vegeta and the Genki-Dama ought to be a lot lower. Goku saying he wouldn't be a match for the former with Kaioken x5 would seem to suggest those two Saiyan Arc top tiers should be closer to his x5 than x10. Whilst you could say Kaioken x5 was far more of a possibility, I wouldn't say so when his body was barely able to handle x4 for a moment. Having Vegeta lose most of his Ki from taking the Kaioken x4 Kamehameha is also a lot more plausible than losing his tail being the primary factor, not to mention fits with Galu rounding the power of the Genki he gave Kuririn to just "less than half" of the original.

Shouldn't the numbers for Gohan and Kuririn be swapped around? Along with what the Daiz gives them, there's the obvious fact of Gohan's potential being superior to Bald Meng.

Whilst an uncommon belief, I believe the 22 and 23k numbers for Dodoria and Base Zarbon work a lot better with character statements, given Zarbon only confirms Vegeta's power surpasses them once he reads his level as 24k. With your numbers, I guess you could easily argue that Zarbon . 22k > Dodoria means Zarbon had no reason to mention anything, but just thought I'd put it out there.

I'd personally swap around the numbers for Gohan's enraged and Zenkai self against 2nd form Freeza, given Vegeta's slight optimism once seeing how strong Gohan had become as opposed to not treating his rage boost as an absolute game changer.

Whilst the Shin/Piccolo/Base Saiyans/Yakon and Pui Pui debate is such a hot topic that it calls for a thread on it's own as it has since the dawn of DB debating, care to give a short take on your reasoning for Shin > Piccolo >>> Base Saiyans and argument against the alternate chains?

What's with Base Gotenks being so low? I know the multipliers likely play a role in that, but that shows they shouldn't remain a constant if clashing with the narrative, seeing as how several statements would point to Base Gotenks pre and post being far, far higher.

I didn't put much thought into Chaozu blowing himself up since it was so ineffective.

I had put Oozaru Vegeta at 60,000 originally, but I didn't think there was that much to support Vegeta having lost 2/3rds of his power, and there's Goku worried that he could easily blow up the Earth with it. I looked to Gohan and Goku always being very fatigued or even passed out every time they reverted back from Oozaru, so I thought it was fair to assume Vegeta's power had plummeted by then. Arguing he could have lost power from the Kaio-Ken engagement seems fair, but I think you could do the same for Goku and then it just gets convoluted.

I mixed Kuririn's and Gohan's numbers. I think the statement on their power from the Ginyus was that it shot up BY over 10,000, right? That's why I just copied the Daiz ones.

I put Zarbon over 22k because both of Vegeta's power readings (22k and 24k) are written off as malfunctions, but Zarbon doesn't mention being surpassed until 24k. Dodoria gets one shotted by Vegeta so it's hard for me to believe he could be 22k or above. I also headcanon them being complacent. Vegeta mentions something about them getting lazy as Freeza's lapdogs.

Didn't put too much thought into Gohan's zenkai after his rage against Freeza since Piccolo shows up right then, and then Gohan just rages again so we never see his normal power then.

I actually re read the section with Babidi's ship while making this. Kaioshin is a complete mess, he's able to subdue SS2 Gohan, he's scared of Babidi's henchmen despite not being able to sense them, and he also survives a pretty nasty beating from Fat Boo... If anything he's still conscious after that beating from Boo, whereas Gohan is out cold. I wonder how Pui Pui would've handled the beating? In the end we never got to see him fight anyone but Boo. As far as Piccolo goes here, I just can't write off what we saw in the CG. Cell quite plainly tells the Juniors to quit toying around and kill everyone, but Piccolo is able to stand his ground. The humans and Goku are down for the count and Piccolo is still in a condition to fight. Doesn't make sense if he's Base Saiyan tier.

I don't know what to think of base Gotenks after the RoSaT. What the fuck is Piccolo comparing him to when he fuses? Is it really Boo? Boo isn't noted to power up there, and base Gotenks attacks do absolutely nothing to him. So how could Piccolo have though Gotenks had a chance? Seems like he just jumped the gun because he could tell Gotenks had powered up.

You have no questions about the SERU arc after all that? Guess I am a Cell arc PL God King

I'd also like to add that I had originally intended to do the Boo arc without multipliers aince Toriyama admittedly wrote the arc by the seat of his pants, but I kept them in the end for simplicity's sake.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I had put Oozaru Vegeta at 60,000 originally, but I didn't think there was that much to support Vegeta having lost 2/3rds of his power, and there's Goku worried that he could easily blow up the Earth with it. I looked to Gohan and Goku always being very fatigued or even passed out every time they reverted back from Oozaru, so I thought it was fair to assume Vegeta's power had plummeted by then. Arguing he could have lost power from the Kaio-Ken engagement seems fair, but I think you could do the same for Goku and then it just gets convoluted.

60K would still fit with Galu's statment, if we're to treat Vegeta's ~24k Gyarikku Ho being able to destroy Earth as fact. Goku and Gohan's lack of conscious would be due to their inability to control the form, which clearly isn't the case for Vegeta.

I actually re read the section with Babidi's ship while making this. Kaioshin is a complete mess, he's able to subdue SS2 Gohan, he's scared of Babidi's henchmen despite not being able to sense them, and he also survives a pretty nasty beating from Fat Boo... If anything he's still conscious after that beating from Boo, whereas Gohan is out cold. I wonder how Pui Pui would've handled the beating? In the end we never got to see him fight anyone but Boo. As far as Piccolo goes here, I just can't write off what we saw in the CG. Cell quite plainly tells the Juniors to quit toying around and kill everyone, but Piccolo is able to stand his ground. The humans and Goku are down for the count and Piccolo is still in a condition to fight. Doesn't make sense if he's Base Saiyan tier.

How would you explain Shin being seemingly scared of Yakon (supported by the Daiz) and seeming to know him personally before suggesting everyone gang up on him, or Pui Pui being given orders to kill everyone but Kaioshin when Shin could easily kill both without problem if we're to follow your chain?

I don't know what to think of base Gotenks after the RoSaT. What the fuck is Piccolo comparing him to when he fuses? Is it really Boo? Boo isn't noted to power up there, and base Gotenks attacks do absolutely nothing to him. So how could Piccolo have though Gotenks had a chance? Seems like he just jumped the gun because he could tell Gotenks had powered up.

What about Trunks estimating Boo to be equal to Base Gotenks?

Goku does comment that Boo's power is "a lie", so it would stand to reason he could change his power at will without a physical power up if he desired. He made no outward power up against SS3 Gotenks after all iirc.

You have no questions about the SERU arc after all that? Guess I am a Cell arc PL God King

Just one. What's with Cold being able to suppress his Ki, and to less than 10% at that?

 

[Void]

I had put Oozaru Vegeta at 60,000 originally, but I didn't think there was that much to support Vegeta having lost 2/3rds of his power, and there's Goku worried that he could easily blow up the Earth with it. I looked to Gohan and Goku always being very fatigued or even passed out every time they reverted back from Oozaru, so I thought it was fair to assume Vegeta's power had plummeted by then. Arguing he could have lost power from the Kaio-Ken engagement seems fair, but I think you could do the same for Goku and then it just gets convoluted.

60K would still fit with Galu's statment, if we're to treat Vegeta's ~24k Gyarikku Ho being able to destroy Earth as fact. Goku and Gohan's lack of conscious would be due to their inability to control the form, which clearly isn't the case for Vegeta.

I had it at 50k initially, but like I said the Genki Dama seemed to be touted as something on a completely different level. Changing it back isn't something I'm against.

I actually re read the section with Babidi's ship while making this. Kaioshin is a complete mess, he's able to subdue SS2 Gohan, he's scared of Babidi's henchmen despite not being able to sense them, and he also survives a pretty nasty beating from Fat Boo... If anything he's still conscious after that beating from Boo, whereas Gohan is out cold. I wonder how Pui Pui would've handled the beating? In the end we never got to see him fight anyone but Boo. As far as Piccolo goes here, I just can't write off what we saw in the CG. Cell quite plainly tells the Juniors to quit toying around and kill everyone, but Piccolo is able to stand his ground. The humans and Goku are down for the count and Piccolo is still in a condition to fight. Doesn't make sense if he's Base Saiyan tier.

How would you explain Shin being seemingly scared of Yakon (supported by the Daiz) and seeming to know him personally before suggesting everyone gang up on him, or Pui Pui being given orders to kill everyone but Kaioshin when Shin could easily kill both without problem if we're to follow your chain?

I feel like I'm cutting corners either way. I have to outright ignore statements and feats somewhere in order to put Kaioshin below or well above the base Saiyans. He thinks Gohan's power at the 25th is amazing, but that it was still within his realm to subdue. Then he's terrified of Pui Pui who gets wrecked by Base Vegeta. Then he takes a bigger beating from Boo than Gohan. I'm open to putting Kaioshin wherever.

I don't know what to think of base Gotenks after the RoSaT. What the fuck is Piccolo comparing him to when he fuses? Is it really Boo? Boo isn't noted to power up there, and base Gotenks attacks do absolutely nothing to him. So how could Piccolo have though Gotenks had a chance? Seems like he just jumped the gun because he could tell Gotenks had powered up.

What about Trunks estimating Boo to be equal to Base Gotenks?

Goku does comment that Boo's power is "a lie", so it would stand to reason he could change his power at will without a physical power up if he desired. He made no outward power up against SS3 Gotenks after all iirc.

Trunks also thought Super Saiyan would be more than enough for Boo, and he was very wrong. Half the arc is them underestimating Boo.

You have no questions about the SERU arc after all that? Guess I am a Cell arc PL God King

Just one. What's with Cold being able to suppress his Ki, and to less than 10% at that?

Wasn't it stated that the two powers landing were huge, but that Freeza's gets A LOT bigger? It would have to be the same case for Cold in order for him to help against SS Goku.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yamcha had an advantage against the Saiba-Meng, but it wasn't that big in my opinion.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I feel like I'm cutting corners either way. I have to outright ignore statements and feats somewhere in order to put Kaioshin below or well above the base Saiyans. He thinks Gohan's power at the 25th is amazing, but that it was still within his realm to subdue. Then he's terrified of Pui Pui who gets wrecked by Base Vegeta. Then he takes a bigger beating from Boo than Gohan. I'm open to putting Kaioshin wherever.

You could factor in Gohan being off-guard if you wished to make things seem more consistent. I find that durability feats like this shouldn't be treat as the precedent when plot armour could be a heavy factor, of which Shin could likely be to perform his role in the plot. After all, Vegeta was able to take 32k attacks without severe injuries in the Saiyan Arc, yet a stronger version of himself gets KO'd in little time by Monster Zarbon.

Wasn't it stated that the two powers landing were huge, but that Freeza's gets A LOT bigger? It would have to be the same case for Cold in order for him to help against SS Goku.

Mecha Freeza were using 50% and Cold were comparable, I'd say he could be of use to Freeza whilst Freeza was capable of getting a lot stronger. Freeza was expecting himself to already be capable of taking care of Galu, so Cold could still shift the scales without being too relevant if under Freeza's assumption that he and Goku would be at best near equals.

 

[Void]

[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] quoting on mobile is proving to be a real pain right now. I apologize for the messy way it came out.

Was it said that Mecha Freeza was at 50%?

Yamcha had an advantage against the Saiba-Meng, but it wasn't that big in my opinion.

As long as you have him above Raditz. :mikey

I thought you didn't like multipliers? I wanted to do the Boo arc without them.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

@Captain Cadaver quoting on mobile is proving to be a real pain right now. I apologize for the messy way it came out.

Was it said that Mecha Freeza was at 50%?

Yamcha had an advantage against the Saiba-Meng, but it wasn't that big in my opinion.

As long as you have him above Raditz. :mikey

I thought you didn't like multipliers? I wanted to do the Boo arc without them.

I don't like them. Set multipliers don't make much sense.

 

[Six Trails]

I agree with the topic description.

In all seriousness, this is a really solid list. Any nitpicks I could think of are merely preferences on my part and I don't see any actual flaws in this list.

 

[Void]

I agree with the topic description.

In all seriousness, this is a really solid list. Any nitpicks I could think of are merely preferences on my part and I don't see any actual flaws in this list.

You sure you don't want to squabble over Base Gotenks' and Kaioshin's placement? I'm sure we can resolve it in only a few years.

EDIT: That wasn't a jab at CC by any means.

Double edit: [mention]Six Trails[/mention] I'm open to hearing any nitpicks you have. Maybe I overlooked something or I'm not looking at something from the right perspective.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Was it said that Mecha Freeza was at 50%?

No, though having 100% Namek Freeza be much stronger whilst the comparable Cold being semi-relevant to SSJ tier without the need of a power up makes it a pretty good median for both pieces of evidence.

 

[GSM123]

Good job. I'll take a look at it as soon as i get home, in a couple days or so.

 

[Void]

Was it said that Mecha Freeza was at 50%?

No, though having 100% Namek Freeza be much stronger whilst the comparable Cold being semi-relevant to SSJ tier without the need of a power up makes it a pretty good median for both pieces of evidence.

I mean, it seems to work out well. I have to ask though, how important is his suppressed level? :mikey

[mention]SSJ7 Gogeta[/mention] [mention]SSJ[/mention] Where you at? You guys gave me a hard time over not making one of these before.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I mean, it seems to work out well. I have to ask though, how important is his suppressed level? :mikey

More important than 10mil.

In all seriousness though, it seems far more likely that Freeza's power was on the higher end when considering his short conflict with SSJ Trunks. He wouldn't be so foolish to suppress himself below 10% in the face of a Super Saiyan and didn't seem to be noted to make a power up when shooting the Ki blast due to a lack of reaction shots from the cast.

 

[Void]

I mean, it seems to work out well. I have to ask though, how important is his suppressed level? :mikey

More important than 10mil.

In all seriousness though, it seems far more likely that Freeza's power was on the higher end when considering his short conflict with SSJ Trunks. He wouldn't be so foolish to suppress himself below 10% in the face of a Super Saiyan and didn't seem to be noted to make a power up when shooting the Ki blast due to a lack of reaction shots from the cast.

I meant suppressed as in when they were sensed on the ship and Gohan said that power they sensed was nothing compared to what it really was. I think he took Trunks seriously when he turned Super Saiyan.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

~50% Mecha Freeza would still be nothing to 100% Namek Freeza overall.

 

[Animelover5487]

Are you going to make a list for Super? We don't have enough of those.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

If he does, I hope that's for the manga. That makes sense.

 

[Animelover5487]

If he does, I hope that's for the manga. That makes sense.

True. I do find the anime more fun to use though due to the larger amount of haxed training/plot gains. I also like using theories when I do battle powers, and the anime offers a multitude of headcanons you can make.