If you could re-write all power levels given in the Guidebooks

[ahill1]

If you could re-write all of the power levels given in the guidebooks and turn it official, which would be yours? I'm sure you could do a better job

Mine:

Tsuru-sennin : 120
Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai) : 130
Roshi (22nd Budokai) : 139
Tenshinhan (22nd Budokai) : 180
Son Goku (22nd Budokai) : 180
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai : 210
Kami-sama : 220
Young Piccolo Daimao : 260
Chaozu (Saiyans saga) : 610
Yajirobe (Saiyans saga) : 970
Mr. Popo : 1,030
Yamcha (Saiyans saga) : 1,480
Kuririn (Saiyans saga) : 1,770
Tenshinhan (Saiyans saga) : 1,830
Piccolo Junior (Saiyans saga) : 3,500
Nappa : 4,000
Nail : 4,200
Dodoria : 22,000
Zarbon : 23,000
Vegeta (post Zarbon Zenkai) : 30,000
Kuririn (vs Freeza) : 75,000
Son Gohan (vs Freeza, pre Zenkai) : 200,000
Vegeta (vs Freeza, pre Zenkai) : 250,000
Goku base (vs Freeza) : 3,000,000
Freeza (100%) : 120,000,000
Goku SSJ (Namek) : 150,000,000


These are all the power level given in da guidebooks as far as I remember. What would you change?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Isn't this the point of all PL lists we've been making all those years?

 

[Jerk Store]

I'd just ignore them, like I have been.

 

[Papasmurf]

I'd just write a note saying Toriyama didn't write any of these numbers, so ignore them if you wish.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Perhaps a better thread would be ''If you could re write all statements about powers in the series''

 

[Tapion]

That would take a few months at least.

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

I'd just ignore them, like I have been.

Damn right. Official power levels are just too broken to fix.
How can Vegeta (PL 24,000) one-shot Cui (PL 18,000), but Vegeta (PL 18,000) can take several punches from Kaio-Ken x3 Goku (PL > 24,000) and survive?
How can Vegeta one-shot Dodoria (12/11 difference) but Ginyu can't one-shot Goku (4/3 difference)?
How can Vegeta do either of those things but Goku and Piccolo can take hits from someone with a 3x advantage (Raditz)?
How can 50% Frieza tank a Kamehameha from someone just as strong as him but only have a singed palm?
Why is 100% Frieza significantly lower than SSJ Goku when they were fairly even at the start of their fight?

The bull goes on and on. And this is just in the Frieza Arc, it gets even worse outside of it.

 

[Jerk Store]

I'd just ignore them, like I have been.

Damn right. Official power levels are just too broken to fix.
How can Vegeta (PL 24,000) one-shot Cui (PL 18,000), but Vegeta (PL 18,000) can take several punches from Kaio-Ken x3 Goku (PL > 24,000) and survive?
How can Vegeta one-shot Dodoria (12/11 difference) but Ginyu can't one-shot Goku (4/3 difference)?
How can Vegeta do either of those things but Goku and Piccolo can take hits from someone with a 3x advantage (Raditz)?
How can 50% Frieza tank a Kamehameha from someone just as strong as him but only have a singed palm?
Why is 100% Frieza significantly lower than SSJ Goku when they were fairly even at the start of their fight?

The bull goes on and on. And this is just in the Frieza Arc, it gets even worse outside of it.

Plot progression and story importance would be the answers you seek. Which is what I usually go with to explain everything because it is the only REAL factual answer to everything you just said. Might be a boring answer, but it sure beats long, drawn out, retarded debates revolving around crack pot fan theories and shit that make no sense outside of a singular specific situation and at times makes no sense at all.

That's why I don't debate fiction anymore, especially DB. There's no point. Nothing anyone says as an "in universe explanation" means anything. It's all personal opinion, and using dialog and feats as proof only goes so far until it is no longer relevant outside of any one specific situation. Shit changes from one arc to the next on a whim, etc. Plus some of the silly shit Toriyama says as of late, especially what he said about Roshi. If 5 years ago someone theorized Roshi was in the 1,000's but never used his full power cause he didn't feel like it, everyone would call that person a troll nub, but now that Toriyama said it, we must accept it as far as the new material goes anyway.

Yeah, debating DB is stoopidz.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I'd just ignore them, like I have been.

Damn right. Official power levels are just too broken to fix.
How can Vegeta (PL 24,000) one-shot Cui (PL 18,000), but Vegeta (PL 18,000) can take several punches from Kaio-Ken x3 Goku (PL > 24,000) and survive?
How can Vegeta one-shot Dodoria (12/11 difference) but Ginyu can't one-shot Goku (4/3 difference)?
How can Vegeta do either of those things but Goku and Piccolo can take hits from someone with a 3x advantage (Raditz)?
How can 50% Frieza tank a Kamehameha from someone just as strong as him but only have a singed palm?
Why is 100% Frieza significantly lower than SSJ Goku when they were fairly even at the start of their fight?

The bull goes on and on. And this is just in the Frieza Arc, it gets even worse outside of it.

-Cui and Dodoria had lost all hope and weren't fighting back
-3x Kaioken drained Goku rapidly, so the gap wasn't 1.33x for the whole fight
-Raditz was toying
-Goku was worn by the time he fired 20x KHH
-SSJ Goku didn't go all out from the beginning, which explains why he didn't one shot 50% Freeza

 

[ahill1]

Even enranged 50% Freeza didn't one-shot base Goku, so one-shot gaps aren't linears.

 

[Jerk Store]

Aaaaand case in point. Lol

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I'd just ignore them, like I have been.

Damn right. Official power levels are just too broken to fix.
How can Vegeta (PL 24,000) one-shot Cui (PL 18,000), but Vegeta (PL 18,000) can take several punches from Kaio-Ken x3 Goku (PL > 24,000) and survive?
How can Vegeta one-shot Dodoria (12/11 difference) but Ginyu can't one-shot Goku (4/3 difference)?
How can Vegeta do either of those things but Goku and Piccolo can take hits from someone with a 3x advantage (Raditz)?
How can 50% Frieza tank a Kamehameha from someone just as strong as him but only have a singed palm?
Why is 100% Frieza significantly lower than SSJ Goku when they were fairly even at the start of their fight?

The bull goes on and on. And this is just in the Frieza Arc, it gets even worse outside of it.

Plot progression and story importance would be the answers you seek. Which is what I usually go with to explain everything because it is the only REAL factual answer to everything you just said. Might be a boring answer, but it sure beats long, drawn out, retarded debates revolving around crack pot fan theories and shit that make no sense outside of a singular specific situation and at times makes no sense at all.

That's why I don't debate fiction anymore, especially DB. There's no point. Nothing anyone says as an "in universe explanation" means anything. It's all personal opinion, and using dialog and feats as proof only goes so far until it is no longer relevant outside of any one specific situation. Shit changes from one arc to the next on a whim, etc. Plus some of the silly shit Toriyama says as of late, especially what he said about Roshi. If 5 years ago someone theorized Roshi was in the 1,000's but never used his full power cause he didn't feel like it, everyone would call that person a troll nub, but now that Toriyama said it, we must accept it as far as the new material goes anyway.

Yeah, debating DB is stoopidz.

Wait a minute, did AT really say Roshi is stronger than King Piccolo but just felt like dying with Mafuba rather than using his full power?

 

[Jerk Store]

Yuuup!

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[ahill1]

@Drock - The "felt like being that strong" couldn't be interpreted as Roshi just training to be that strong? I mentioned this argument on neoseeker and Kaboom said that's not what Toriyama was trying to say.

 

[Tapion]

I was debating Piccolo vs Kaioshin with Voice of Reason and Kaboom, and i explained crystal clear to Kaboom my reasons for why Piccolo was talking about hierarchy in the "dimensions" statement and Kaboom ignored everything and just repeated all the shit i had explained and then mocked what i had said. He is a stubborn ass, don't even bother with him. VoR was the only one who was actually trying to bring arguments to the field instead of being an idiot like Kaboom.

 

[Jerk Store]

It could mean anything you want I guess, it's very vague, but at face value, most people take it to mean he was always that strong. Toriyama woulda just said he trained if he meant to say he trained.

I don't try to find hidden meanings in stuff like that. I take what is said at face value, and at face value, he basically said Roshi is that strong but never feels like using full power.

If others want to inrepret it differently, then that's on them. When people tell me stuff, I dont try adding things to what they said. I take what they say to mean what it means, and that's that.

Toriyama said "he's only that strong when he feels like it" not "he trained to get that strong, but only because he felt like it." And the way he said he's only that strong WHEN he FEELS like it, not "because he felt like it"... the key words "when" and "feels" sounds like he meant all along, not just recently.

If he trained at some point after the Saiyajin arc, pretty sure it woulda been mentioned cause Goku and co. woulda been blown away by the old man deciding to improve.