Imperfect Cell Saga BASE VEGETA vs Frieza Saga SUPER SAIYAN GOKU.

[VampireWicked]

From the Imperfect Cell Saga, Vegeta in Base.

VS

From the Namek Frieza Saga, Goku in his initial SuperSaiyan transformation.​

But Vegeta isn't allowed to transform beyond Base.
And Goku doesn't suffer from stamina drain.

Who do you think wins ????




BONUS

Do you think Base Vegeta from the Semi-Perfect Cell Saga or even the PerfectCell Saga could beat Frieza Saga Namek SuperSaiyan Goku ?

 

[VampireWicked]

WHHHHAAAT!???
No WaY No Smurfin WaY!

 

[Captain Cadaver]

So, post-1st Rosat trip?

I'd say Vegeta still gets stomped, since I'd only place him more or less on 50% Freeza's level. Post-2nd Rosat Vegeta oneshots via-scaling from Base Trunks being treat as impressive by Future Cell, and any gains he made within those 3 years seem to be minimal.

 

[Pakl]

So, post-1st Rosat trip?

I'd say Vegeta still gets stomped, since I'd only place him more or less on 50% Freeza's level. Post-2nd Rosat Vegeta oneshots via-scaling from Base Trunks being treat as impressive by Future Cell, and any gains he made within those 3 years seem to be minimal.

But Freeza > Base Goku as stated by Beerus

 

[Captain Cadaver]

But Freeza > Base Goku as stated by Beerus

1. Not in the manga
2. Beerus having the sense to realise Goku's actual appearance was different from what it was in Whis' crystal ball is enough to suffice for him stating Base didn't beat Freeza rather than basically burning away all evidence for the contrary during the Cell Games and Boo Arc just for an off-hand statement.

 

[Pakl]

While I agree with you, Beerus said Goku could not beat him based on strength as he checked his body

 

[Captain Cadaver]

That's still highly debatable. He only poked Goku's muscles a bit which whilst indicating he was checking strength, it isn't a certainty and you could still argue it to fall back to the difference in appearance and SSJ's increased muscle mass.

 

[Pakl]

What's the point to have that line then? I assume Toriyama just did not take the implications of the Boo Arc into account and just made it like that.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

What's the point to have that line then? I assume Toriyama just did not take the implications of the Boo Arc into account and just made it like that.

The line was considered so unimportant it was left out of the manga entirely, so the only reason for its inclusion would likely be that it was already in BoG. That still doesn't make it Toriyama's solid standing though, considering how quickly he changed his mind about Beerus using 70% against SSG Goku and the manga only references Freeza once Goku goes SS2, and anyone would be hard pressed to try and argue Freeza > MSSJ Goku.

 

[Pakl]

What's the point to have that line then? I assume Toriyama just did not take the implications of the Boo Arc into account and just made it like that.

The line was considered so unimportant it was left out of the manga entirely, so the only reason for its inclusion would likely be that it was already in BoG. That still doesn't make it Toriyama's solid standing though, considering how quickly he changed his mind about Beerus using 70% against SSG Goku and the manga only references Freeza once Goku goes SS2, and anyone would be hard pressed to try and argue Freeza > MSSJ Goku.

Just because one source neglected it doesnt change the fact that the Anime and movie say it too. The Manga also neglected the entire RoF arc.

Was not Freeza referenced in the Anime when SSjin Goku battled Beerus?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Just because one source neglected it doesnt change the fact that the Anime and movie say it too. The Manga also neglected the entire RoF arc.

And just because two sources says Freeza > Base Saiyans doesn't mean we should ignore the many more manga/anime and guidebooks statements making the opposite apparent.

The FnF Arc was still referenced, not completely removed.

Was not Freeza referenced in the Anime when SSjin Goku battled Beerus?

He was, though Beerus acted as though it was about as good as Goku could do in the grand scheme of things, making the statement equally ridiculous. Sure, you could interpret it as Beerus saying even after everything, Goku's Ki is still closer to Freeza's than to Beerus', but if trying to be consistent, wouldn't using a better measuring stick such as "You're even stronger than a Kaioshin" suffice?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Goku wins easily.

 

[Pakl]

Just because one source neglected it doesnt change the fact that the Anime and movie say it too. The Manga also neglected the entire RoF arc.

And just because two sources says Freeza > Base Saiyans doesn't mean we should ignore the many more manga/anime and guidebooks statements making the opposite apparent.

The FnF Arc was still referenced, not completely removed.

Was not Freeza referenced in the Anime when SSjin Goku battled Beerus?

He was, though Beerus acted as though it was about as good as Goku could do in the grand scheme of things, making the statement equally ridiculous. Sure, you could interpret it as Beerus saying even after everything, Goku's Ki is still closer to Freeza's than to Beerus', but if trying to be consistent, wouldn't using a better measuring stick such as "You're even stronger than a Kaioshin" suffice?

Since I agree with you that logically and mathematically Base Goku must be stronger than Freeza, I would just say it was a retcon of Toriyama and that he didnt think much there

However, its not like Base Saiyans in the Boo arc being stronger than Freeza is fact. Just highly implied

 

[VampireWicked]

I agree with @Captain Cadaver
As there's more evidence that Beerus is unaware of the Saiyan potential, his battle with SuperSaiyan God Goku shows that as Beerus didn't know Saiyan biology was capable of absorbing divine ki & turning it into their own.