In Cell's inner-monologue in the end...

[Fantastische Hure]

...when Cell said this is what he meant by being the ultimate (or perfect) warrior does that mean Dr. Gero never once thought that his perfect form was or would be his full-power and the fact that he could still get higher via Zenkais and such was what made him so perfect? So his perfect form was never really meant to be the peak of Cell all along or the perfect form might have intended to have been the peak but just in-case he'd somehow come close to die he could come-back even higher?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Gero probably doesn't know the existence of Zenkai boost since it rarely appear until the Namek arc. Similarly, I don't think Cell knew it until he was revived later.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Gero eventually treat Cell as a side project for his computer to deal with, so it's safe to say he didn't have much faith in that plan working.

Cell's monologue just means he should have been perfect in power, speed and technique as he often touted, yet Gohan surpassed him in at least the first two. No need to dig into it any deeper than that.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Gero eventually treat Cell as a side project for his computer to deal with, so it's safe to say he didn't have much faith in that plan working.

Cell's monologue just means he should have been perfect in power, speed and technique as he often touted, yet Gohan surpassed him in at least the first two. No need to dig into it any deeper than that.

This was at the end when he came-back post-Zenkai.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Nevertheless, all that still applies to his supposed "Perfect" form which Gohan trashed and he needed a power up beyond that to compete, so the point still stands regardless.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

It just seemed like he meant that Dr. Gero thought about more than just the power of perfect-form when he made him. He did after-all say this is what Dr. Gero truly meant by creating the perfect life-form. Also the fact that he some-how could do a technique that Goku did after-ward, like the IT.

 

[Tapion]

Gero eventually treat Cell as a side project for his computer to deal with, so it's safe to say he didn't have much faith in that plan working.

Wasn't that solely because Cell was a project too large to be completed within Gero's lifetime? He put all his faith into the project.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Wasn't that solely because Cell was a project too large to be completed within Gero's lifetime? He put all his faith into the project.

That's fairly arguable. After all, Gero also decided to turn himself into an Artificial Human, so it's safe to say his own mortality and limited time weren't a major focus for him.

Whilst I agree he put a lot of faith in the project, I see it as being more of a fail safe should he be killed by #17 and #18 rather than his magnum opus. After all, we're lead to believe Gero wanted world domination, or possibly just revenge for his son if new material is anything to go by, so it's hard to see where something based purely on absolute destruction like Cell was would fit into all that. Then again, I could concede to your point if making the assumption that this was the result of Gero's overestimations of his creations' loyalty as made very apparent more often than not, since he likely didn't factor in how integrating the DNA of several megalomaniacs would make Cell a loose cannon when he first started the project.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

My point was that maybe Cell's true perfect life-form thing comes from is that he can almost never die (not Boo Levels), but if he does nearly die and survive he becomes even higher. That sort-of makes him perfect.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

My point was that maybe Cell's true perfect life-form thing comes from is that he can almost never die (not Boo Levels), but if he does nearly die and survive he becomes even higher. That sort-of makes him perfect.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

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[theallpowerfulpuipui]

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The monologue comes after "behold the power of two hands!"

 

[GSM123]

Just means he was supposed to be the strongest. Cell wasn’t aware of the Zenkai and it’s unlikely Gero was either (It wasn’t explored until Namek), so it’s mostly that he thought nobody could be as strong as him. He does has everyone’s cells and Gero didn’t even expect Goku and co. to reach Android level, after all.

 

[Spiral-Force]

My point was that maybe Cell's true perfect life-form thing comes from is that he can almost never die (not Boo Levels), but if he does nearly die and survive he becomes even higher. That sort-of makes him perfect.

So you think SPC did not believe he was 'perfect' in terms of his actual power, but rather, potential (in a sense)?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

My point was that maybe Cell's true perfect life-form thing comes from is that he can almost never die (not Boo Levels), but if he does nearly die and survive he becomes even higher. That sort-of makes him perfect.

So you think SPC did not believe he was 'perfect' in terms of his actual power, but rather, potential (in a sense)?

Yeah, like the way everything works in his way. He can almost never die and in the off-chance he's close to death he can perhaps regenerate and become even more perfect. That's true perfection. Not the power he reached when he became Perfect-Cell.

What do you think?

 

[Spiral-Force]

Yeah, like the way everything works in his way. He can almost never die and in the off-chance he's close to death he can perhaps regenerate and become even more perfect. That's true perfection. Not the power he reached when he became Perfect-Cell.

What do you think?

As far as the whole 'perfect' theme, Cell tends to use it to refer to his bodily form (i.e. simply the final stage of his growth/development) or to emphasise his terrible power. If his word usage was in a literal sense, then it would be redundant for him to describe himself as becoming "truly perfect" or "even more perfect", or whatever.

I don't think there's much mystery to it.

-> PC thought he was the strongest
--> SSJ2 Gohan painfully proves otherwise
---> Cell's Zenkai gives him a reason to rekindle that same confidence he had before

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Well he was meant to be the ultimate life-form at-least IIRC.

 

[Spiral-Force]

Well he was meant to be the ultimate life-form at-least IIRC.

Right... but omnipotent? Didn't get that impression. It's relative.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

That's ultimate isn't it?

 

[Spiral-Force]

Just a tad bit off...