Is 2800 Gohan 2800?

[SSJ2]

Do you guys think enraged Gohan was actually 2,800, or was his Masenko noticeably amplified? If so, what do you view his power at?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Gohan
-normal: 1400
-enraged: 2100
-massenko: 2800

 

[p123]

Enraged Gohan should be >> Piccolo as he has always been...

I always put Masenko = 2,800 because the scouters can read the ki building within their body. If Raditz can ready Goku's 924 and Piccolo's 1,330, why wouldn't Vegeta be reading Gohan's Masenko?

 

[SSJ2]

Did you read the post? I said is the Masenko amplified or not? Obviously 2800 was the reading, but is that Gohan or the blast?

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

I dunno. Though attacks do amplify base power.

 

[SSJ2]

Sure, but I dont think Gohan is suggested to have much going for him in the way of ki manipulation. I cant see his true power being far below 2,800.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

To answer the OP, 2800 Gohan = 2800 Gohan.

Seriously though, I'd say the Masenko shouldn't really provide a significant amp. Pushing back Piccolo so low that he barely passes the 2k threshold seems to be a major lowball since off guard or not, an attack from him was still enough to faze Nappa slightly. Gohan shouldn't have enough capability in Ki control to amplify his attacks at that point and the Masenko was just a way to channel forth the full power of his rage boost into one attack, especially considering the only times he uses it in canon is as part of his rage boosts, thereby showing no significant difference between his rage boost and the actual attack.

 

[GSM123]

I'd think so. According to Daizenshuu 7's Special Attack Dictionary, the Masenko is very similiar to the Kamehameha, but with a different pose. And we know Kamehameha wasn't supposed to be amplified in the begining:
Yamcha: “The ‘Kamehameha’…! It’s Muten Roshi’s grand technique, which is said to condense the latent energy within his b-body, and fire it out in one burst…!!”

 

[p123]

He was trained by the Master Demon of Earth using the Master Demon's ki attack. Why wouldn't Masenko be amplified? It wouldn't be a Masenko unless it was amplified...

If it has a named attack, it's got an amp...

Dodonpa is probably the weakest of the lot, that's still probably like a 1.15x or something...

 

[SSJ2]

I should clarify. I'm not trying to say it doesnt have amp. I certainly agree that it does. But given Gohan's lack of co.bat abilities (could not follow the Saibaman fight), despite being trained by Piccolo, I cant see the amp being too significant. I've always thought 2,400-2,600 was a fair reading for Gohan's enraged power.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

To answer the OP, 2800 Gohan = 2800 Gohan.

Seriously though, I'd say the Masenko shouldn't really provide a significant amp. Pushing back Piccolo so low that he barely passes the 2k threshold seems to be a major lowball since off guard or not, an attack from him was still enough to faze Nappa slightly. Gohan shouldn't have enough capability in Ki control to amplify his attacks at that point and the Masenko was just a way to channel forth the full power of his rage boost into one attack, especially considering the only times he uses it in canon is as part of his rage boosts, thereby showing no significant difference between his rage boost and the actual attack.

What do you think of this...

Massenko- 2800
Enraged Gohan- 2100
Piccolo- 2000
Initial Nappa- 3200

 

[p123]

Could be. But Masenko isn't stated to be a weaker version of Masenko. Remember Krillen's Kamehameha being stated to be weaker at the 22nd Budokai? Yeah, I need an implication that this is a weaker Masenko to fulfill this. He might not be able to sense ki, but lots of people can't and have amps on their blasts...

Enraged Gohan should be >> Piccolo...

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Enraged Gohan should be >> Piccolo...

No. Piccolo said Enraged Gohan is stronger than him. It doesn't have to be a wide margin.

 

[Kyo]

I've always saved myself the trouble of thinking about this by just never considering his level without the Masenko.

 

[p123]

That would be wrong. Scouters can read ki amplification occurring within the body...

Enraged Gohan should be significantly ahead of Piccolo, Gohan is the finisher for a reason. Piccolo is relying on Gohan to be the closer... If they were too close in power, it would alter Gohan's narrative...

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Enraged Gohan should be significantly ahead of Piccolo, Gohan is the finisher for a reason. Piccolo is relying on Gohan to be the closer... If they were too close in power, it would alter Gohan's narrative...

You mean when they grabbed Nappa's tail? Well, one of the three had to be the finisher. If Gohan was the strongest, why not him?

 

[GSM123]

There's also that moment before Tenshinhan died when Piccolo and Kuririn attacked Nappa and had to blast him because Gohan pussed out.

And yeah, Gohan being the finisher implies he's powerful.

 

[p123]

When Gohan is angry, he always surpasses Piccolo.