Is post Z sword Gohan overrated?

[ahill1]

So we know that according to many people's estimations, this Gohan is close to fat Boo due to Goku not asserting with sureness that Gohan couldn't defeat fat Boo.

But in the Super's manga, Trunks managed to wield the sword as well as Gohan and was still no match for Dabura in SSJ, with his SSJ2 not being enough to one-shot Dabura.

What do you think?

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

Wasn't Trunks SSJ1 when he one shotted Dabura?

Post z-sword Gohan is pre-mystic right?

 

[ahill1]

Trunks was SSJ2. He didn't one-shot Dabura, actually, he killed him when Ksioshin had him paralyzed.

Yeah, pre mystic.

 

[SSJ2]

Super manga is irrelevant.

 

[Six Trails]

Absolutely. Kaioshin was grasping at straws with his assessment, basing it solely on the fact that Gohan trained with the Z Sword, not his actual power at that moment. You can't even use the "plot gains" excuse since Gohan's power pre-potential unlock serves no purpose to the plot.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'd say no. Goku only brought doubt at Kaioshin's statement rather than refuting it outright, something that would've been in-character to do if Gohan were irrelevant to Boo as we saw with how he confidently told Piccolo he was nothing to Cell.

As for using Super Trunks as a benchmark, I'd say that's a false equivalence. Firstly, we aren't given a timeframe on how long Trunks had trained with the Z-Sword compared to Gohan with the only point of comparison being him handling it better than Base Goku, meaning Trunks need be little stronger than Boo Arc Goku in equal forms. Secondly, his performance against Dabura only sheds light on the strength of Future Dabura rather than limiting Trunks.

 

[SSJ2]

Agreed with CC. Goku's reaction is much more important than Kaioshin's imo. Kaioshin was trying to make the best of a failed situation and was clearly grasping at straws. Goku's lack of straightforwardness tells me that he wasn't completely off the mark. I mean, you can clearly see that Gohan was a master with the sword in comparison to Goku, so I'd find it hard to believe he didn't power up.

 

[VampireWicked]

I think Gohan is overrated.
He struggled against Dabura as a SuperSaiyan.
AscendedSaiyan MajinVegeta/Goku are both more powerful than AscendedSaiyan Teen Gohan during the CellGames & yet neither MajinVegeta or Goku had a chance against Chubby Buu.
So a rusty, weak, Adult Gahon that learned to swing a sword still stands absolutely no chance against Chubby Buu.

 

[SIAD]

I'd say no. Goku only brought doubt at Kaioshin's statement rather than refuting it outright, something that would've been in-character to do if Gohan were irrelevant to Boo as we saw with how he confidently told Piccolo he was nothing to Cell.

As for using Super Trunks as a benchmark, I'd say that's a false equivalence. Firstly, we aren't given a timeframe on how long Trunks had trained with the Z-Sword compared to Gohan with the only point of comparison being him handling it better than Base Goku, meaning Trunks need be little stronger than Boo Arc Goku in equal forms. Secondly, his performance against Dabura only sheds light on the strength of Future Dabura rather than limiting Trunks.

Completely agree, just add that Future Trunks SSJ (Vs Dabura) must be at least as strong as Gohan SSJ2 (Vs Dabura), since they both had to draw the Z Sword.

Most likely, a large part of Future Trunks' training was taking out the Z Sword, only that unlike Gohan, Future Trunks took it out in SSJ, while Gohan in SSJ2. Therefore Future Trunks Base was >> Gohan Base (Pre Sword Z).

I still have Gohan SSJ2 (Post Sword Z) >>> Future Trunks SSJ2 (Post Sword Z).

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah. If Gohan has power, either it’s to punch Boo around with his jerking arm or it’s more dormant power again.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah. If Gohan has power, either it’s to punch Boo around with his jerking arm or it’s more dormant power again.

While he highlighted "arm strength" in his comment, he ought to have gained more than that if he commented on his power with any enthusiasm, no?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah. If Gohan has power, either it’s to punch Boo around with his jerking arm or it’s more dormant power again.

While he highlighted "arm strength" in his comment, he ought to have gained more than that if he commented on his power with any enthusiasm, no?

Gohan never commented on his power besides the arm.

 

[SSJ2]

He didn't need to comment on it when he had been physically displaying his gains already.

 

[Tapion]

Kaioshin: “I-I get it…If he’s acquired that much power in his regular state, then if he becomes a Super Saiyan it will become an even more substantial power-up…!

Gohan is definitely stated to be much more powerful than before. Whatever doubt you have regarding Shin's assessment of Gohan's superiority over Boo, he's not so incompetent as to get something as basic as "Gohan is stronger than he was before" wrong.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Kaioshin's point was coming from seeing Gohan training with a supposedly mystical sword, not by showcasing the fruits of it firsthand. Besides swordsmanship, Gohan hadn't even shown how strong he'd gotten yet, besides commenting on his gains in a very unflattering way.

 

[SSJ2]

Gohan needed Super Saiyan to effectively train with the sword. By the end of the training, he had mastered it in Base and was far more effective than Goku. It seems pretty straightforward to me, whether you believe he is a threat to Fat Boo or not.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

You think Base Gohan > SSJ Gohan?

 

[SSJ2]

Nope. But the fact that he needed SSJ to train with it and then was shown having mastered it in Base says that he made some pretty decent gains.

 

[SIAD]

The sheer fact that Goku only doubted, instead of completely ruling out that Gohan is the most powerful in the Universe, with Fat Boo present, is proof enough that Gohan made huge power gains thanks to his training with the Z Sword. Years ago Goku mentioned that Piccolo's power was far inferior to that of Perfect Cell and the difference between the Perfect Cell they knew was not monstrously superior to that Piccolo.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, but sometimes the "I wonder" is taken more as a less direct way of saying "you have no chance", I guess.