Is Pure Boo Universal?

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Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315) said:
Context: as Goku prepares to fight Boo
Goku: “Alrii~~iight. I’d better go all out right from the start…! If we get done in, then the entire universe will go ‘poof’…
Vegeta: “Let me see this ‘Super Saiyan 3’ thing with my own eyes…”
Goku: “Is that alright? You just might not get your turn…I can say this now, but the truth is that with that fat Boo, I would have been able to defeat him at the time with Super Saiyan 3…However, I wanted the young guys to manage something…For the Earth’s sake too…”

If not, what his destructive capability?
 

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No more so than Freeza is going by a very similar statement when Galu was charging up the Genki Dama. All the statement conveys is that the universe would eventually be destroyed if they lose, which is true when Pure Boo has no rationality and would wildly destroy everything in sight over time.

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If not, what his destructive capability?
Manga-wise, Solar System level like all other characters of SPC's level and above. Anime-wise, at least Galaxy level via scaling from M12 Goku as well as the far greater level of destruction he caused to the Kaioshinkai.
 

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“The universe will be go poof” souds way more instantaneous than “the universe will be in trouble”, though.

Also, you’re forgetting anime Pure Boo is universal because everyone in the anime is universal :toei
 

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It's a figure of speech.
 

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Yet even future material supervised by Toriyama makes it apparent that those far above Boo Arc top tiers weren't universal, considering the unrestrained power of SSG and Beerus wasn't enough to instantly destroy the universe.

I'd say your interpretation of the use of "poof" has to do with the difference between its equivalent in Japanese and the translation. If something were to happen instantaneously, usually in Japanese the speaker would say something more direct to it such as using "shunkan" as is often the case in DB when concerning such quick timeframes. For comparison in how onomatopoeia like "poof" are used in translations, let's take the Funi subs of GT:

Episode 59
Time: around 17m50s
Context: Gohan protests Vegeta’s transformation
Bulma: “Unless we defeat that monster, it’ll all end up the same way…the Earth goes ‘poof!’”

It seems doubtful here it'd be referring to destroying all the Earth at once, considering Yi Xing Long and the other dragons could've done that any time they wished. When the series uses "poof" (or whatever its Japanese equivalent is), the focus of it seems more on a great explosion rather than an instantaneous timeframe.
 

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Yes in the sense that Kid Buu can eventually destroy the universe. Even Fat Buu and Perfect Cell were considered threats to the universe. As far as making it disappear on one ki blast, I don't think so.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Yet even future material supervised by Toriyama makes it apparent that those far above Boo Arc top tiers weren't universal, considering the unrestrained power of SSG and Beerus wasn't enough to instantly destroy the universe.

I'd say your interpretation of the use of "poof" has to do with the difference between its equivalent in Japanese and the translation. If something were to happen instantaneously, usually in Japanese the speaker would say something more direct to it such as using "shunkan" as is often the case in DB when concerning such quick timeframes. For comparison in how onomatopoeia like "poof" are used in translations, let's take the Funi subs of GT:

Episode 59
Time: around 17m50s
Context: Gohan protests Vegeta’s transformation
Bulma: “Unless we defeat that monster, it’ll all end up the same way…the Earth goes ‘poof!’”

It seems doubtful here it'd be referring to destroying all the Earth at once, considering Yi Xing Long and the other dragons could've done that any time they wished. When the series uses "poof" (or whatever its Japanese equivalent is), the focus of it seems more on a great explosion rather than an instantaneous timeframe.

Not convinced unless said future material includes games :troll

If we’re talking about what “poof” means in Japanese, I think analyzing up the original line would be a better choice. “Poof” seems to indicate something as instantaneous as “Shunkan” might be.

If anything the GT line supports me. Is Yi Xing Long not capable of destroying Earth in one fell swoop? He might or the other dragons might have been capable of it as well, but what matters right now is that he can and he might as well dewit.
 

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You're getting way too carried away in the semantics of one word.
 

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Considering even SSJ Kefla wasn't 100% certain she could immediately destroy the universe, I don't think Pure Boo in either the manga or anime could just blow up the universe in one go.
 

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GreatSaiyaman123 said:
If anything the GT line supports me. Is Yi Xing Long not capable of destroying Earth in one fell swoop? He might or the other dragons might have been capable of it as well, but what matters right now is that he can and he might as well dewit.
Yes, he can, but did he? If he hadn't destroyed the Earth already when capable of destroying the universe, I certainly don't think he'd do so instantaneously. Elder Kaioshin also supports this by talking about how he'd gradually corrode the Earth rather than destroying it with a single blast.
If we're to get as technical with these statements as you are, this lies in direct contradiction of what you're implying Bulma is saying when she's being definitive with her statement as opposed to offering a hypothetical.
 

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You know you're wrong when SHC is liking everyone's posts but yours :alex2 :ladd
 

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Super Saiyan said:
You're getting way too carried away in the semantics of one word.

Unless I'm clueless, "poof" is a pretty straightforwad way of implying something's instantaneous. Years upon years of destruction eventually resulting in the end of the universe isn't "poof". I'm also pretty sure there are worse cases of semantics

Pyro said:
Considering even SSJ Kefla wasn't 100% certain she could immediately destroy the universe, I don't think Pure Boo in either the manga or anime could just blow up the universe in one go.

I mean you can't be sure of anything until you actually do it, so there's that. Regardless of Boo Arc, if even SSJG can do it then so can SSJ2 Kefla.

I think Pure Boo being able to destroy the universe in the anime is a sure thing since Gohan-Boo could, but this kind of power is hinted at all the time. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a statement out there saying Saiyan Arc Vegeta can destroy the universe.

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Yes, he can, but did he? If he hadn't destroyed the Earth already when capable of destroying the universe, I certainly don't think he'd do so instantaneously. Elder Kaioshin also supports this by talking about how he'd gradually corrode the Earth rather than destroying it with a single blast.
If we're to get as technical with these statements as you are, this lies in direct contradiction of what you're implying Bulma is saying when she's being definitive with her statement as opposed to offering a hypothetical.

Except this isn't about what they did, it's about what they can do. He had no interest of doing it but it doesn't matter, he can do it and the mere possibility is why Bulma wants Vegeta to use the Blutz Waves machine. Likewise, Goku feels Pure Boo can destroy the universe and that's enough for him to go all out from the start.

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You know you're wrong when SHC is liking everyone's posts but yours :alex2 :ladd

I hope so because it sounds like bullshit, but :shc's likes can't erase Goku's statement.
 

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Since you seem to think there can only be one interpretation of words:

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From dictionary.com. The word can be used when referring to something happening in a relatively short amount of time. You are assuming that in this case it means that the universe would be instantaneously destroyed, but that's merely an assumption that isn't backed by feats in the series. Boo/Bibidi's initial goal was the destruction of the universe. Why would they waste time laying waste to individual worlds when Boo had the ability to destroy everything in one shot? Doesn't make much sense.
 
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