It says nothing about the 'gamble' referencing time

[kriss-]

Where?

Enlighten me.

 

[Six Trails]

The first person who notes that it would be a gamble is Piccolo. Piccolo can't be calling their power a gamble, because he doesn't know how powerful fusion makes two people, he only has Goku's word to go on; that being that it'd be enough to beat Boo. Piccolo does however know that fusion is very difficult to learn and that Goten and Trunks are just kids and only have three days to learn the difficult dance.

Unless Piccolo just randomly thought Goku was lying, the only thing that could be a gamble in his mind is learning fusion in such a short time.

 

[kriss-]

I'm searching for evidence but I can't find anything. Can you list a statement from Piccolo where he says that time was specifically the gamble?

 

[Six Trails]

I just explained why it can only be time that Piccolo is referencing. If you're just going to ignore it and keep acting oblivious, be my guest.

 

[kriss-]

I just explained why it can only be time that Piccolo is referencing. If you're just going to ignore it and keep acting oblivious, be my guest.

I'm not acting oblivious at all, I'm looking for the statement.

Can you list it?

I'm going through Kanzenshuu, Neoseeker and DBZF.Co.Uk, but Piccolo never says that.

 

[Six Trails]

You are acting oblivious. You know as well as I do that Piccolo can't be referencing anything but time because that is the ONLY thing that he knows about fusion. Please, don't reply if you're just going to say "I can't find any evidence" because I do not feel like going in circles over and over again.

 

[kriss-]

You are acting oblivious. You know as well as I do that Piccolo can't be referencing anything but time because that is the ONLY thing that he knows about fusion. Please, don't reply if you're just going to say "I can't find any evidence" because I do not feel like going in circles over and over again.

Do not speak for me please. I'm trying to be open-minded here, hence why I made the thread. If you do not feel like having an open-minded discussion, you're welcome to leave.

What I did find was this:

Goku's not doing math in his head. He's not thinking, "well the Metamorans I saw were about a 1 each, and then they became like a 10 through Fusion. So if Goten and Trunks are already each a 10, and if Boo is like 30, then a Fusion will be..."

No, he's thinking, "Goten and Trunks are already really strong, so a Fusion of them would be super-duper-extra strong! Hopefully strong enough to defeat Majin Boo (because I don't want to)."

Piccolo use of the word gamble isn't in the same chapter of the quote I showed. I was illustrating how Goku went from certain to unsure, what happens between this is: he feels the kids full power and fight's Majin Boo. Then he applys the word gamble.
Goku said he might have gained two days(3?), after his altercation with Boo. If by the last day there were still behind, or the population was almost exterminated. They could use the RoSaT. I say time was not a gamble.

Goku: "Sorry, but we don't know when Babidi will find us. We've gotta start now."
Piccolo: "Will you use the Room of Spirit and Time?"
Goku: "No. They can only use it for two days in their whole lives, right? They might need it later. I'm sure they're gonna learn this quick."

Goku wasn't saying that the boys didn't need the RoSaT because the fusion on it's own would be strong enough to defeat Boo, he was neglecting in using it as a means for the boys to learn the Metamoran quicker, which would waste time. He than blatantly says 'They might NEED IT LATER' because they are going to learn to fuse quickly.

 

[Six Trails]

Do not speak for me please.

I'm not speaking for you. I'm only repeating exactly what you said to me.

I'm trying to be open-minded here, hence why I made the thread.

Open-mindedness is cool, but all you're doing here is completely ignoring what I wrote and just claiming "there's no evidence." If you're looking for a discussion, you could acknowledge the points that others bring up.

Goku's not doing math in his head. He's not thinking, "well the Metamorans I saw were about a 1 each, and then they became like a 10 through Fusion. So if Goten and Trunks are already each a 10, and if Boo is like 30, then a Fusion will be..."

I wasn't aware that you could read minds.

No, he's thinking, "Goten and Trunks are already really strong, so a Fusion of them would be super-duper-extra strong! Hopefully strong enough to defeat Majin Boo (because I don't want to)."

This seems incredibly similar to something I've seen from Kaboom before...

Piccolo use of the word gamble isn't in the same chapter of the quote I showed. I was illustrating how Goku went from certain to unsure, what happens between this is: he feels the kids full power and fight's Majin Boo. Then he applys the word gamble.

I'm aware it's not the same chapter. It's an earlier chapter if I recall correctly, but the gamble that Goku is referring to in the chapter you posted is referring to Piccolo's earlier use of the word.

Goku felt the kids' full power and stated that they'd definitely beat Boo IF they learnt fusion properly. The only "if" is "if" they learn fusion in time. That alone proves that time is the only gamble.

He than blatantly says 'They might NEED IT LATER' because they are going to learn to fuse quickly.

So what you're telling me is that when Goku says that he's sure they'll learn it quickly, we should listen, but when he says that they'll be enough to beat Boo fused for sure, he shouldn't be listened to? Isn't that just selective reading?

 

[kriss-]

I'm not speaking for you. I'm only repeating exactly what you said to me.

You are speaking for me.

Open-mindedness is cool, but all you're doing here is completely ignoring what I wrote and just claiming "there's no evidence." If you're looking for a discussion, you could acknowledge the points that others bring up.

Actually, everything I listed contradicts what you said and opens the idea for an alternative perspective.

Goku's not doing math in his head. He's not thinking, "well the Metamorans I saw were about a 1 each, and then they became like a 10 through Fusion. So if Goten and Trunks are already each a 10, and if Boo is like 30, then a Fusion will be..."

I'm aware it's not the same chapter. It's an earlier chapter if I recall correctly, but the gamble that Goku is referring to in the chapter you posted is referring to Piccolo's earlier use of the word.

Not necessarily. In the scan in the original post Goku says nothing about time being a factor, so his usage of the word is completely different.

Goku felt the kids' full power and stated that they'd definitely beat Boo IF they learnt fusion properly. The only "if" is "if" they learn fusion in time. That alone proves that time is the only gamble.

After seeing the boys at full power and fighting Boo, he applies the word gamble.

Goku says they can beat Boo if they just fuse properly. After feeling their full Ki, he applies the word gamble and changes his opinion about them to 'perfecting' fusion.

This is all contradictory to any other predetermined expectation because the circumstances had radically changed in both scenarios.

So what you're telling me is that when Goku says that he's sure they'll learn it quickly, we should listen, but when he says that they'll be enough to beat Boo fused for sure, he shouldn't be listened to? Isn't that just selective reading?

See the point above.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I think what Goku meant about ROsat was if some bad guy will shows up who should be stronger than Majin Boo then they're gonna need to use it.

 

[kriss-]

I think what Goku meant about ROsat was if some bad guy will shows up who should be stronger than Majin Boo then they're gonna need to use it.

How did you get that?

I'll dissect it line for line for you:

Goku: "Sorry, but we don't know when Babidi will find us. We've gotta start now."

So Goku states that they must start teaching the boys the fusion immediately because they don't know when Babadi will find them. Time is of the essence.

Piccolo: "Will you use the Room of Spirit and Time?"

Because time is of the essence, Piccolo asks whether he intends for Goku to use the Rosat to speed up the process that it will take to teach the boys the fusion.

Goku: "No. They can only use it for two days in their whole lives, right? They might need it later. I'm sure they're gonna learn this quick."

Goku says that they shouldn't use it for that purpose (speeding up the process), because they can only use it twice in their entire life.

He resumes to say that they might need it later (after they learn to fuse), because he's sure that they will learn to fuse quickly and using the Rosat to speed up the process would be a waste of a trump card.

You must be confusing it with this statement:

Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P10.5-8, P11.1-3
Piccolo: “Goku…There’s something I want to ask you while I’ve got the chance…[ ] …That Super Saiyan 3 thing earlier…if you had gone all-out, wouldn’t you have been able to defeat Majin Boo?...How about it, am I wrong?”
Goku: “Nah, I don’t know…When it comes to Majin Boo’s strength, it’s like a lie…I think that I probably couldn’t have won…”
Piccolo: “…Probably? Knowing you, why didn’t you try until the very end?...Does it have to do with that energy…?”
Goku: “No…I’m no longer a human who’s particularly even supposed to be here…I shouldn’t be the one to do it. It’d be better for these young guys to solve things somehow or another…After all, some other outrageous guy might show up eventually, right? …It's a nasty gamble, but…Seeing those two super-gifted squirts, it made me want to take this gamble…”

Which is a completely different statement and has nothing to do with the one above.

 

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It was a gamble simply because Goku did not finish off Buu when he had the chance to. Even if SSJ Gotenks pre is 10.000x stronger than
Goku, still, just the fact that Goku left Buu alive to do who knows what was a gamble.