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POTENTIAL!
It's Potential not Multiplier Boost.
Something I didn't think about here in my earlier thread.
HOW I UNDERSTAND SUPER SAIYAN GRADES, MULTIPLIERS, WHY GRADE 2/3 AREN'T STRONGER THAN GRADE 4
The overall Transformation is a x50 multiplier but it's only multiplying a small percentage of the Potential of each Grade.
Each Grade accesses more Power then the previous Grade does, as much their bodies can handle anyway.
But not exactly the Potential of the form itself.
If there were two fighters with equal Base, One fighter can only reach Grade3 & The Other has Mastered the Transformation completely.
Then The fighter who Mastered SuperSaiyan is the fighter who has unlocked the full Potential of the Transformation is going to have the higher Battle Power as he can fully utilize the form.
The closer you are to Mastering SuperSaiyan, the more Potential you unlock.
Any form really.
It's simple & I missed it before lol.
Think Buu Arc Ultimate Gohan compared to SuperSaiyan 3 Goku.
Mastered Super Saiyan compared to Grade 3 Grade 2 & the initial Super Saiyan is the same thing.
Those unexplained sudden power boosts.
FutureTrunks
Vegeta vs Beerus
LimitBreaker Vegeta vs Toppo
Base Broly vs SuperSaiyan God Goku
Ultimate Gohan
There's no increased Transformation multiplier involved.
It's Awakened Potential.
The entire point of Elder Kai's Potential Unlock ritual for Gohan, DUH lol!
It unlocks Potential.
Why after the Elder Kai's ritual Gohan was more powerful than SuperSaiyan 3.
The same reason Grade4 is stronger than G3.
The same reason why SuperSaiyan Vegeta went from getting thrashed to was able to withstand a punch from Beerus & do more than SuperSaiyan 3 Goku did, all without training.
Why Frieza goes from the initial SuperSaiyan Namek level to SuperSaiyan Blue level in months.
Accessing more Potential.
Think of it like Piccolo wearing weighted clothes.
With them on that's like the initial SuperSaiyan form...
G1.
Or a calm Broly, calm Gohan.
Remove the weighted clothes from Piccolo & his PowerLevel sky rockets.
He doesn't Transform but his PowerLevel sky rockets.
No Transformation so no Transformation multiplier, but his PowerLevel shoots up.
Because without weighted clothes he can use more Potential.
Add Rage to Broly, to Gohan, to Vegeta.
If they're already Transformed into their final from but their PowerLevel shoots up, where is that coming from ?
Not a Transformation multiplier because it's a set number, yet they still have the Potential to go further.
Potential said:having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future.
latent qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success or usefulness.
Goku & Gohan weren't any stronger than Vegeta & FutureTrunks when they went into the room.
How would they be when Goku was sick with the virus, & Gohan hadn't achieved SuperSaiyan yet.
And Vegeta vs Android19 was stronger than Goku.
Also Vegeta & FutureTrunks went into the Room Of Spirit & Time twice.
Goku didn't need a bigger gain from training, because he figured out how to unlock the full Potential of SuperSaiyan.
YES G3 gives a power boosts & is beyond the initial SuperSaiyan form.
But the Potential of G4 far surpasses any G3, G2, & G1.
Grade 4 or SuperSaiyan Full Power = Unlocked Potential.
YES.
It goes in order of how powerful each form is:
1. G4 Grade 4 Super Saiyan
2. G3 Grade 3 Super Saiyan
3. G2 Grade 2 Super Saiyan
4. G1 The Initial Super Saiyan
No, G4 will not be 500 like G1
Yes Base is 10 & the Super Saiyan multiplier is 50x
G4 can turn G2 or G3, but a G4 SuperSaiyan doesn't ever, never ever needs to.
The G2 & G3 forms of a SuperSaiyan will never be more powerful than that Saiyan's G4 form.
If Saiyan A is Goku & Saiyan B is Gohan, & both are at exact equal PowerLevels in Base form.
It depends on who has the most Potential.
Now Goku has achieved G2 & G3.
Gohan has G4.
Okay based off known Potential of both Goku & Gohan, when their Potential is unlocked who's more powerful?
It's real easy, too easy.
Take Adult Gohan.
Veruses
Potential Unlocked Adult Gohan.
How did Gohan get from Adult Gohan who's Base couldn't beat Dabura.
To Adult Ultimate Gohan who in Base could beat SuperBuu.
All without training.
The ritual didn't multiplie anything, it unlocked everything & removed the burden, the drawbacks, the limitations.
That's what G4 does.
I'm not answering the question, I found the answer to the question.
it's something I totally overlooked while looking directly at it.
It's so simple it's hilarious I we all miss it on end lol.
See the majority of Fans think G3 is stronger because of power, Raw Power.
Because that's what Vegeta, FutureTrunks, Goku (at first) was training for.
Raw Power beyond G1 SuperSaiyan.
YES G3 is strong because of Raw Power, it has more Raw Power than the initial G1 & G2 but it's weak compared to G4 because G4 utilizes the full abilities of SuperSaiyan .
And most Fans are using when it's said G2/3 as being Beyond SuperSaiyan as meaning SuperSaiyan in general.
I don't agree with that.
How could Vegeta or anyone at that time refer G2/G3 as beyond SuperSaiyan when G4 hadn't existed yet.
Beyond SuperSaiyan only refers to being beyond the initial G1.
Potential Unlock said:Unlock Potential is an empowered state of being brought upon either by surviving drinking the Ultra Divine Water, or Grand Elder Guru or Babidi drawing out a target's dormant power, thus allowing them to use their full potential at the time.
Apply that with what Goku did resulting in G4.
FULL-POWER SUPER SAIYAN said:In the Room of Spirit and Time, Goku comes to the conclusion that the extra two stages of regular Super Saiyan (see "Ultra SSJ," above) indeed give strength... but kill speed and consume too much energy. Instead of relying on them, Goku decides they must, "... work on getting rid of that instability... that restless feeling." Regular ol' Super Saiyan must become their "norm."
The next time we see Goku and Gohan is when they emerge from the Room of Spirit and Time... as Super Saiyans. Vegeta notes, "They look like Super Saiyans... but I don't feel the energy...! It's like... it's their natural state...".
Next chapter, the characters converse among themselves regarding this "new" Goku and Gohan. Tenshinhan is astonished, since it is supposed to take a great deal of effort just to stay in SSJ, yet they are so relaxed. Ultimately, Vegeta retorts that they have indeed made SSJ their "best combat state"; when used to it, they'll "... minimize the strain on their bodies during battle!"
Removing the strain also allows G4 to grow stronger as it removes the max limit for Potential.
FULL-POWER SUPER SAIYAN said:The term "Super Saiyan Full Power" is coined in the second daizenshuu (it appears nowhere in the manga). It also notes that Goku's aura, while his Super Saiyan power is drawn out to its limits, is "different."
There is no indication that either Goku and/or Gohan have reached their "maximum power" while in this stage; in fact, that's quite an outlandish claim to make. There is always room for improvement. Goku and Gohan do indeed grow stronger with time, pushing the Super Saiyan stage to its limits time and time again.
This what the material says.
Not some Fan numbers based on a question answering with contradictory logic avoiding the facts.
It's the material telling us what's what.
We can either accept it for what it is or continue asking the same questions posting the same Fan numbers while always circling around the obvious.
We don't have to admit to anything cause it's all right there given to us.
The increase isn't coming from Base or an Increased Multiplier.
It's coming form that flood of how much more G4 is able to fully utilize.
An easy analogy G1, G2, & G3 It's like wearing weighted clothes.
See G1, they're giving their all & sure they can forcefully push passed it to G2 & G3 but they no matter how far they get they ain't getting the full deal.
That limiter, that restricted barrier is still in place.
Once broken G4 releases that restriction, drops the weighted clothes & you're getting the 4Million Base + Unrestricted Potential x 50 transformation Multiplier = much greater than G3, G2, G1
Base + Unrestricted Potential (Latent abilities, Hidden Potential, Complete utilisation) x 50 transformation Multiplier.