Joey vs Kaiba

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This is Joey with his battle city deck and his dragon card vs Kaiba with his battle city deck.

I actually think Joey can take this. Joey was a absolute monster against Marik. His performance against Marik makes me think he is almost equal to Kaiba with only his battle city deck. Based off that with his dragon card I think he can take it handily
 

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I disagree heavily.

Joey was being toyed with the entire duel. Describe it as overestimation of Ra or underestimation of Joey (I believe the latter), but Marik made a mistake, and that's the only reason Joey gets credit for that duel. People take his survival of Ra and being "one move away from winning" as justification to claim that he was on par or even better than Marik, but that's faulty due to it being blatant that he was strung along just like Yugi was in his duel later on. Marik himself may not have been an A+ duelist like Yugi or Kaiba without his Egyptian God Card, but he did have more skill than Joey at the time, even without Ra; Ra was just the cherry on top.

Joey's Battle City deck itself wasn't that impressive. It relied on luck far too many times. It was composed of mainly weak monsters (which is why Crush Card didn't hurt it that badly in the filler duel with Kaiba), some booster cards like Graceful Dice, and a few aces (Jinzo namely). Compare his deck to Kaiba's and you'll see just how shitty it is, though it's actually better than Yugi's in some regards.

Anyway, Kaiba would stomp Joey. Kaiba was an A+ duelist regardless of Obelisk or not. His deck had a beatdown/disruption theme and it was very good at it. Crush Card, Virus Cannon, 3x BEWD, Enemy Controller, Soul Exchange, Final Attack Orders, etc. They're all very disruptive to Joey's strategies. And if you give Obelisk to Kaiba, yeah, this is no challenge whatsoever for him – unless you believe Joey could topple a prime Yugi with Slifer in his deck.

The established chain of BC was: Marik >= Yugi >= Kaiba >>> Joey

I'd even say Odion was superior to Joey by a small amount, though that's a much closer duel than this one. Hermos would be Joey's only hope, and it still wouldn't be enough.
 

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Until I saw the OP saying Joey had Hermos I was going to say we saw this duel and despite Joey putting up a good fight, Kaiba was still stomping him the entire time. But with Hermos Joey automatically has the power to make up any equip spell/fusion monster with whatever effect he wants. We saw Joey fuse Hermos with 3 monsters and only 2 of which I can see of being any help against Kaiba: Time Magic Hammer & Red Eyes Sword. Even with Hermos I can see Kaiba beating Joey. Pyrus described it best.
 

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Pyro said:
unless you believe Joey could topple a prime Yugi with Slifer in his deck.
But Jounouchi did presumably defeat Yami Yugi with all 3 God Cards, since he got his Red-Eyes-Blue-Dragon back, even-though later stuff might not make sense if that did happen.
 

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That's not confirmed. It doesn't mean Joey actually won.
 

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Could be that Yugi let him win. There's no logical way Yugi would've lost the match with his deck unless the Heart of the Cards gave him a big middle finger.
 

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Joey having red-eyes back is confirmed in both the anime and manga due to Joey having REBD even in the manga-canon Darkside of Dimensions movie, but it could very well be that Yugi didn't play with the god cards since they were too dangerous, or Joey played well enough that Yugi acknowledged him and gave him the card back since it was useless anyway with only 2400 atk
 

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That's true about Yami Yugi maybe letting him win, but I don't think he'd have it anyother way than to defeat Yami Yugi at his best and if he held back he'd see it as a big middle-finger to him. He has pride. I don't have a problem, since the duel happened off-screen anyway so it's not like he had the power of plot working for him necessarily, like he usually does.

Also did he say he'll just duel Yugi as a true duelist and then get his Red-Eyes back or that he'll win and get Red-Eyes back? Because if he just wanted both of them to have a duel as both "true duellists", then he didn't necessarily have to win just have a duel with him and then take his card back, but who knows.

I also like Red-Eyes. The card is Jounouchi's ace.
 

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