Kaioshin - how do you explain?

[ahill1]

How do you explain Kaioshin not being "too flabbergasted" by Gohan SSJ2 in the Budokai, still with a cheerful face and only noting he is stronger than he thought... while at base Vegeta later on he was flabbergasted, sweating, saying they can't be that strong, that he never thought of this...? Just AT changing Kaioshin's character? Or him being surprised at Vegeta being that strong while in base? Or him just overestimating base Vegeta, since he defeated someone supposed to be incredible?

I personally go with the latter and consider his reaction towards SSJ2 Gohan to be the most natural one. If you have another explanation, feel free to show.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

After seeing Dabra under Bobbidi's control, he had it in his mind that everyone Bobbidi had as henchmen were one of the strongest in the universe. Seeing Base Vegeta demolish Pui-Pui with such ease is the part that seemed to be the most shocking. The part that really seemed to leave him shocked was Goku's power-up against Yakon. That's when he realized why the Saiyans were so composed because they could power-up quickly. Character is dumb.

 

[ahill1]

After seeing Dabra under Bobbidi's control, he had it in his mind that everyone Bobbidi had as henchmen were one of the strongest in the universe. Seeing Base Vegeta demolish Pui-Pui with such ease is the part that seemed to be the most shocking. The part that really seemed to leave him shocked was Goku's power-up against Yakon. That's when he realized why the Saiyans were so composed because they could power-up quickly. Character is dumb.

So he shouldn't be shocked by base Vegeta under normal conditions, right?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Exactly. For example, if he saw Base Vegeta beat the crap outta some random Freeza henchman and blow him away, I thought he'd be standing there in disbelief.

I've seen people say Kaioshin was shocked because Base Vegeta was >himself, or because Base Vegeta was so powerful without transforming, though.

 

[Cell]

Kaioshin is not a warrior.
Kaioshin cannot measure Ki very well, though he can feel it (like a guy standing in the wind... he can roughly judge how powerful it is compared to other things he has experienced... but he's not a meteorologist with an electronic device... which is how I would describe Goku's ability in comparison).
Babidi's minions cannot be measured through Ki sensing.

...there you go.

EDIT: Oh yea, and he has a terrible lack of information.

 

[ahill1]

Exactly. For example, if he saw Base Vegeta beat the crap outta some random Freeza henchman and blow him away, I thought he'd be standing there in disbelief.

I've seen people say Kaioshin was shocked because Base Vegeta was >himself, or because Base Vegeta was so powerful without transforming, though.

So you go with the latter option, right? He kind of overestimated Pui Pui and for this reason he thought of base Vegeta like that. What if Vegeta powered up in base to full power? I think Kaioshin would be just nonchalant, finding that a rather minuscule power.

 

[ahill1]

Kaioshin cannot measure Ki very well, though he can feel it (like a guy standing in the wind... he can roughly judge how powerful it is compared to other things he has experienced... but he's not a meteorologist with an electronic device... which is how I would describe Goku's ability in comparison).

But like you said, he can still feel it. He noticed how Gohan was stronger than he thought and wondered if his telekinesis power would work. So he was sensing Gohan there and I doubt he'd react to base Vegeta (who is way weaker than SSJ2 Gohan in the Budokai) in the same way under normal circumstances. I think he was just overestimating base Vegeta and his reaction to base Gohan was more valid.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Kaioshin had to use the bathroom during the 25th TB. Frog Ginyu jumped in the bathroom and switched with Kaioshin.
That explains why he acted differently after 25th TB.

 

[Cell]

Kaioshin cannot measure Ki very well, though he can feel it (like a guy standing in the wind... he can roughly judge how powerful it is compared to other things he has experienced... but he's not a meteorologist with an electronic device... which is how I would describe Goku's ability in comparison).

But like you said, he can still feel it. He noticed how Gohan was stronger than he thought and wondered if his telekinesis power would work. So he was sensing Gohan there and I doubt he'd react to base Vegeta (who is way weaker than SSJ2 Gohan in the Budokai) in the same way under normal circumstances. I think he was just overestimating base Vegeta and his reaction to base Gohan was more valid.

When I say "roughly" I mean "very very roughly"... he's terrible at it.

Also, considering his reaction to Goku's power display, and the lack of information he has on basically everything, he was probably expecting strength levels far far lower. Heck, he probably doesn't even know that Vegeta can transform...

 

[Void]

Kaioshin helps make the Boo arc such a mess.

 

[ahill1]

Kaioshin cannot measure Ki very well, though he can feel it (like a guy standing in the wind... he can roughly judge how powerful it is compared to other things he has experienced... but he's not a meteorologist with an electronic device... which is how I would describe Goku's ability in comparison).

But like you said, he can still feel it. He noticed how Gohan was stronger than he thought and wondered if his telekinesis power would work. So he was sensing Gohan there and I doubt he'd react to base Vegeta (who is way weaker than SSJ2 Gohan in the Budokai) in the same way under normal circumstances. I think he was just overestimating base Vegeta and his reaction to base Gohan was more valid.

When I say "roughly" I mean "very very roughly"... he's terrible at it.

Also, considering his reaction to Goku's power display, and the lack of information he has on basically everything, he was probably expecting strength levels far far lower. Heck, he probably doesn't even know that Vegeta can transform...

In the Kibito vs Gohan match, Kibito said something like "show me this Super Saiyan stuff", so I think they were expecting the SSJ to be attached to all of them, including Vegeta.

So you think the strange thing there was his reaction to Gohan SSJ2 and you believe his reaction to base Vegeta shows more accurately where he stacks?

 

[Cell]

But like you said, he can still feel it. He noticed how Gohan was stronger than he thought and wondered if his telekinesis power would work. So he was sensing Gohan there and I doubt he'd react to base Vegeta (who is way weaker than SSJ2 Gohan in the Budokai) in the same way under normal circumstances. I think he was just overestimating base Vegeta and his reaction to base Gohan was more valid.

When I say "roughly" I mean "very very roughly"... he's terrible at it.

Also, considering his reaction to Goku's power display, and the lack of information he has on basically everything, he was probably expecting strength levels far far lower. Heck, he probably doesn't even know that Vegeta can transform...

In the Kibito vs Gohan match, Kibito said something like "show me this Super Saiyan stuff", so I think they were expecting the SSJ to be attached to all of them, including Vegeta.

So you think the strange thing there was his reaction to Gohan SSJ2 and you believe his reaction to base Vegeta shows more accurately where he stacks?

I believe that any information he had on Super Saiyan was acquired just before the tournament.

I believe he never directly witnessed Goku vs Freeza and only heard of the events that took place (however partial the details were).

He knew of Goku. He knew bits and pieces about Gohan.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Exactly. For example, if he saw Base Vegeta beat the crap outta some random Freeza henchman and blow him away, I thought he'd be standing there in disbelief.

I've seen people say Kaioshin was shocked because Base Vegeta was >himself, or because Base Vegeta was so powerful without transforming, though.

So you go with the latter option, right? He kind of overestimated Pui Pui and for this reason he thought of base Vegeta like that. What if Vegeta powered up in base to full power? I think Kaioshin would be just nonchalant, finding that a rather minuscule power.

Yeah, pretty much. It wouldn't make any sense for him to be flabbergasted over an inferior Base Vegeta in comparison to Super Saiyan 2 Gohan...unless Base Vegeta was stronger. We all know that ain't a thing.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Ain't it obvious? Even in his SSJ2 form, my miserable adult self was weaker than Base Vegeta.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Kaioshin is a dumbass.

The Majin Boo Saga makes so much more sense once you come to the conclusion Kaioshits doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

Dude literally forgot he sensed SSJ2 Gohan during the tournament in the span of less than a whole hour.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Nah, you can't explain that shit. It's just a bad writing along with ''Was Gohan SSjin/2 against Dabura'' thing.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Kaioshin is 5.000.000 years old, so he started developping alzheimer.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Even Super exposes his idiocy, he can't even train his universe to get stronger and doesn't know much about the Potara stuffs.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

He was overreacting due to being scared of Bobbidi's minions