Kaioshin's reactions at base Vegeta

[ahill1]

Do you use it as a proof of Base Saiyans > Freeza?

 

[Animelover5487]

Yeah, imo it goes.

Base Saiyans >>>> Pui Pui >= Kaioshin = SSJ Trunks (Debut) >> Mecha Freeza

 

[ahill1]

I used to see it as a very strong evidence not only for base > Freeza, but for base > Kaioshin as well. But now I don't see it as that game changer.

Kaioshin didn't have the same amazement at SSJ2 Gohan's power, not even close, only remarking it's still more than he imagined:

He's pretty nonchalant at it, totally different from how he was when witnessing Vegeta's base power, who should be way, way weaker than Gohan SSJ2:

Kaioshin even went as far as to say he never dreamed they were this powerful:

So taking his reactions at face value, we'd have base Vegeta > SSJ2 Gohan, which just doesn't sound right. Therefore, I think other thing was influencing Kaioshit to react that way at base Vegeta, probably because Bejita defeated someone he overrated as hell, seeing how he said Babidi is known for gathering only strong warriors and wasn't sure of victory even after Gohan's display of power at the Budokai. His reactions towards SSJ2 Gohan was more natural I'd say and Kaioshin is just acting out of character in the spaceship due to how he fear Boo, so he's just being overly cautious, without probably even noticing it.

That's why I think Kaioshin shtting his pants at base Vegeta doesn't mean much in terms of power discussion.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

It's better to just assume Kaioshin is a pussy who has no idea of what he's talking about.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

He just underrestimate them that's all.

 

[Animelover5487]

I used to see it as a very strong evidence not only for base > Freeza, but for base > Kaioshin as well. But now I don't see it as that game changer.

Kaioshin didn't have the same amazement at SSJ2 Gohan's power, not even close, only remarking it's still more than he imagined:

He's pretty nonchalant at it, totally different from how he was when witnessing Vegeta's base power, who should be way, way weaker than Gohan SSJ2:

Kaioshin even went as far as to say he never dreamed they were this powerful:

So taking his reactions at face value, we'd have base Vegeta > SSJ2 Gohan, which just doesn't sound right. Therefore, I think other thing was influencing Kaioshit to react that way at base Vegeta, probably because Bejita defeated someone he overrated as hell, seeing how he said Babidi is known for gathering only strong warriors and wasn't sure of victory even after Gohan's display of power at the Budokai. His reactions towards SSJ2 Gohan was more natural I'd say and Kaioshin is just acting out of character in the spaceship due to how he fear Boo, so he's just being overly cautious, without probably even noticing it.

That's why I think Kaioshin shtting his pants at base Vegeta doesn't mean much in terms of power discussion.

Yeah....I think that was a retcon. Toriyama probably didn't know how powerful he wanted Kaioshin to be yet that's why he was written as such a badass at the tournament. Come Babidi's Spaceship and he can't stop whining like a little bitch about characters well under Base Saiyans. He went from being set up to someone who could one-shot Piccolo....to someone who can only one-shot Freeza.

If the Kaioshin was overrating Pui Pui or Yakon it would been stated or made clear which it wasn't, the intent was to show how much the Base Saiyans surpassed his expectations.

 

[SSJ2]

Retcon ahill, how many times have we been through this?

 

[ahill1]

Well, I just explained why I don't see Kaioshin's reactions at base Vegeta's power as a proof of Base > Freeza, much less Base > Kaioshin.

 

[SSJ2]

 

[ahill1]

How do you see Kaioshin's reaction then? Base > Kaioshin?

 

[SSJ2]

Nah, I see Kaioshin >>>>> Base >>>>>>> Piccolo.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

If there was a retcon, there was another retcon during the boo fight

Either way, Kaioshin ends up one shotting the base Saiyans

 

[sei'taer]

Volume 38 is borked