Kaku vs Ryuma

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Ryuma is limited to Brook's shadow. Both were able to give Zoro a good fight. Kaku forced Zoro to use the Ashura, though Zoro was probably a bit stronger in the fight against Ryuma.
 

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I think Kaku wins, because Zoro used Ashura against him, while he didn't have to against Ryuma. Also, didn't Zoro only have two swords against Ryuma?
 

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ryan1227 said:
I think Kaku wins, because Zoro used Ashura against him, while he didn't have to against Ryuma. Also, didn't Zoro only have two swords against Ryuma?
Good point on Zoro only having two swords, didn't remember it. But it's worth to say Zoro was stronger against Ryuma than he was vs Kaku, due to their implied "Zenkais".
 

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Yeah the straw hat crew always seems to get stronger after each major villain fight. I want to say Kaku wins because he seemed to push Zoro harder, but with zenkais I don't really know.
 

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Would Zoro (Thriller Bark) still use Ashura to defeat Kaku? I don't think so.
 

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I'm honestly not sure. Kaku looked like he was dominating pre-Asura while Ryuma didn't do as well, but due to Zoro's growth there's a good chance Ryuma was stronger.

I think Kaku might still win though since I doubt Brook's shadow made him as skilled as Zoro or Kaku.
 

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Zoro probably did get stronger, but I personally don't think it was enough where he'd beat Kaku with only two swords. I think he could win without Ashura high diff by that point, though.
 

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Kaku probably takes it with extreme diff.

If it were Ryuma from when he was still alive though, Kaku would get oneshotted, though current Kaku is debatable.
 

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Everything points to Kaku winning this fight, he gave Zoro a much harder fight than Ryuma did, and Zoro didn't even have three swords while fighting Ryuma, not to mention the fact that Zoro had to use that Asura move on Kaku, while he didn't use it on Ryuma.
 

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Zoro def got stonger but not enough to overcome the difference in 3 swords + Ashura vs 2 swords
 
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