Kefla SSJG vs Jiren (Beyond Limits)?
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Probably kefla. SSJG offers a gigantic boost the first time around.
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isn't SSB stronger than SSG and jiren easily beats both
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Anime or manga Kefla?
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And with normal Multiplier?
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Probably Jiren. I have SSJG 10x SSJ3, so it’s 40x SSJ2.
In episode 123, Vegeta was equals with SSJB Goku who was already stronger than SSJ2 Kefla. He then gets 20x stronger with SSJBE, a bit more when enraged vs Toppo, and his Final Explosion is 4x that. Yet he could barely defeat Toppo, let alone Jiren.
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X10 seems pretty low. When obtaining SSG, Goku claims he had never felt stronger. Also claiming he didn't think fusion would be enough to beat Beerus. Goku had previously experienced what it was like to be SS Vegito against Buuhan. Some things to ponder:
- If we go with Super Vegito, who showed us power above SS3 Goku while in base. Then 50x that with SS. So that would be > SS3 x 50 = SS1 Vegito. SS3 is a 400x multiplier. Since Vegito was already above this in base, you get him having that multiplier times his SS and get a Super Vegito/fusion multiplier of >400 x 50 = >20,000x. Fusion be broken. This also doesn't include a hypothetical SS3 Vegito. Yet Goku felt SSG was stronger.
- If you go by Vados' statement that fusion was, "The sum of their parts, multiplied tens of times". You would get (A + B) 20-90=Fusion Power. This would add Goku and Vegeta's power together, then multiply by "tens of times"/a number between 20 and 90 to fit in line with what Vados said. So fusion would be a multiplier of 40x on the low end and 180x on the top end. Or 110 averaged and this would only be the base of the fusion. Then multiplied more by SS forms. Which Vegito has SS1 for sure and potentially up to SS3 at his disposal. Resulting in an average boost of 5,500x for SS1, 11,000x for SS2, and 44,000x for SS3.
- Going by feats, as a SS3, Goku was comparable to Kid Buu who busted planets with ease and in the anime was shown destroying a galaxy over time. In BoG, Beerus and Goku are stated to have jumped up to universal power within their strikes with each other. Our universe contains as many as 2 trillion galaxies. The jump from, slowly, galaxy busting to universal is unquantifiably massive.
According to Goku the SSG multiplier should be massive. Feats, statements, etc. point to SSG being a huge boost in power. If Kefla gets the SSG that Goku did, she wins. If it's 10x she gets rinsed.
- If we go with Super Vegito, who showed us power above SS3 Goku while in base. Then 50x that with SS. So that would be > SS3 x 50 = SS1 Vegito. SS3 is a 400x multiplier. Since Vegito was already above this in base, you get him having that multiplier times his SS and get a Super Vegito/fusion multiplier of >400 x 50 = >20,000x. Fusion be broken. This also doesn't include a hypothetical SS3 Vegito. Yet Goku felt SSG was stronger.
- If you go by Vados' statement that fusion was, "The sum of their parts, multiplied tens of times". You would get (A + B) 20-90=Fusion Power. This would add Goku and Vegeta's power together, then multiply by "tens of times"/a number between 20 and 90 to fit in line with what Vados said. So fusion would be a multiplier of 40x on the low end and 180x on the top end. Or 110 averaged and this would only be the base of the fusion. Then multiplied more by SS forms. Which Vegito has SS1 for sure and potentially up to SS3 at his disposal. Resulting in an average boost of 5,500x for SS1, 11,000x for SS2, and 44,000x for SS3.
- Going by feats, as a SS3, Goku was comparable to Kid Buu who busted planets with ease and in the anime was shown destroying a galaxy over time. In BoG, Beerus and Goku are stated to have jumped up to universal power within their strikes with each other. Our universe contains as many as 2 trillion galaxies. The jump from, slowly, galaxy busting to universal is unquantifiably massive.
According to Goku the SSG multiplier should be massive. Feats, statements, etc. point to SSG being a huge boost in power. If Kefla gets the SSG that Goku did, she wins. If it's 10x she gets rinsed.
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Between Goku being much stronger than he used to be in the Boo Saga, getting even stronger by absorbing the others’ Ki in the failed ritual and, and the fact that Goku’s power continued to grow as he fought Beerus, 10x SSJ3 actually works just fine. I can easily see it being more though.
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The first thing that pops to my mind on this is that Goku said he didn't think he could be as powerful as his SSG self from just training. From just training alone, Goku had unlocked up to SS3 by that point which is a 400x multiplier. It seems so unlikely that Goku would feel a 10x increase in power was not achievable through training since he had already done so before.
For clarity as well, I don't think SSG's multiplier is as large as my calculation suggest either. They just seem too massive but 10x just doesn't seem high enough based on what we are given. So, yeah, if it's 10x, Kefla gets squashed.
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I'd take Kefla pretty easily.
