KHH + Kaioken

[SSJ2]

Does this create an argument that the KHH stacks on top of Kaioken's power?

Krill in specifically mentions the KHH and not Kaioken, implying that the KHH should have done a lot more than regular physical attacks.

 

[kriss-]

It just proves that the KHH was further amplified by the Kaio-Ken. But it doesn't necessarily mean that it stacked on-top of Kaio-Kenx20.

During his fight with Freeza, Goku said he had no choice but to use the Kaio-Kenx20, not, I've got no choice but to use a Kaio-Kenx20 Kamehameha; in other-words, he channels the Kaio-Ken through his Kamehameha, amplifying it's capabilities.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I think the KK and KHH are added together. For instance, if KHH is 2x...
Goku- 3.000.000
Goku 20x KK- 60.000.000
Goku 20x KK KHH- 63.000.000

 

[sei'taer]

Why wouldn't it be? Kaio-ken forcefully raises your chi, chi blasts focus and amplify your chi. They're not the same thing.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Why wouldn't it be? Kaio-ken forcefully raises your chi, chi blasts focus and amplify your chi. They're not the same thing.

The main reason it can't be is that 20x KK Goku seemed close to 50% Freeza even before KHH; at least that's the feeling i think AT wanted to
give us.

 

[sei'taer]

Why wouldn't it be? Kaio-ken forcefully raises your chi, chi blasts focus and amplify your chi. They're not the same thing.

The main reason it can't be is that 20x KK Goku seemed close to 50% Freeza even before KHH; at least that's the feeling i think AT wanted to
give us.

He blocked the kamehameha with one hand at point blank range

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Why wouldn't it be? Kaio-ken forcefully raises your chi, chi blasts focus and amplify your chi. They're not the same thing.

The main reason it can't be is that 20x KK Goku seemed close to 50% Freeza even before KHH; at least that's the feeling i think AT wanted to
give us.

He blocked the kamehameha with one hand at point blank range

I thought Freeza increased his power when he blocked it.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Let's try to guess what how AT viewed the KHH/KK combo, what he had in mind when writing the blast duel between
Goku/Vegeta and Goku's KHH on Freeza.
The feeling i get is AT viewed 3x KK/KHH as merely 3x KK power manifested in a blast instead of an increase of
physical stats. And, when 20x KK attacked Freeza (before KHH), i think the feeling AT wanted to give is that 20x KK
made him equal to Freeza for a brief period.
Do you agree? What feelings do you get from these battles? How do you think the author viewed them?

 

[SSJ2]

Yeah I don't disagree with that. I think in the Freeza instance, there has to be some addition from the KHH in order to match Freeze's 50%, though it can be argued 50% Freeza > 20x KK Goku due to him tanking it with his hand.