Kibito vs SSJ Trunks (@Mecha Freeza)

[Southern Gothic]

Trunks at Freeza's first arrival on Earth vs Kibito.

Who wins???

 

[SSJ2]

Trunks and easily in my opinion. I've got Kibito lower than Freeza, but I could be talked out of it.

 

[Six Trails]

Kibito loses because I don't like him.

But in all seriousness I assume that Kibito cannot defeat Freeza in one blow since Kaioshin does not include him in the statement of all of the Kaioshins being able to defeat Freeza in one blow.

Whether Trunks can defeat organic Freeza in a single blow is debatable, but I find it likely that he can.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Kibito's weaker than Base Gohan, and I think Super Saiyan Trunks is above that. So old redface gets bodied.

 

[p123]

Trunks cannot defeat Freeza in one punch. That's asking a lot. If anything Trunks vs Freeza looking like Gohan vs Cell is the absolute most I'd give Trunks. Perhaps that's too much.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Does Kaioshin even punch? Lol.

 

[Pyro]

Kaioshin probably doesn't know how to actually fight. He's entirely magic-based.

As for the topic, Kibito would get bodied, like EV said. I don't picture him above Freeza for the reason Mike posted, though I have seen a solid argument that Kibito wasn't necessary in the context of the conversation.

 

[p123]

Hey is Mecha Freeza stronger than we think? Is he thinking about fighting a potentially powered up Goku?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I always wondered about Mecha Freeza. For him to challenge Goku after that battle, you'd think the Mecha upgrade was huge. Freeza knows that Saiyans have limitless potential and always grow in power. He would probably expect a more powerful Goku, but I'm not sure if that was on his mind. I think his new Mecha power was more of a priority to Freeza, if anything.

I guess it also comes down to how you think 100% Freeza compares to Goku on namek. If you think he rivals Goku, then Freeza had to have expected Goku to be more powerful in their next bout. If Freeza's already close enough to Super Saiyan Goku, the Mecha upgrade would surely put him above Goku. Based on the dialogue, Freeza isn't quite sure if he can defeat Goku on his own.

I'm not really sure. I'll have to look it over again.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

If we take DBS into account, it could argued that Freeza assumed it'd be difficult for Goku to make great gains after hitting a pinnacle like Super Saiyan. From his dialogue with Sorbet, it sounded like he'd expected Goku to have not made massive gains in almost 2 decades. He may have thought that Goku would've hit a temporary wall after raising his power so high when he arrived as Mecha Freeza.

 

[p123]

The way Freeza words it is weird. I can probably go alone. It seems like he has less confidence against going up against Goku then he would have with his old power. Strange.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Yet thinks he'll win for sure with Cold's help. Makes me wonder how strong Cold is.

 

[p123]

I don't see a reason for Cold to be any stronger than what he showed. I think what Freeza is saying is that he can probably win on his own, but if anything with Cold's help, it will be easy.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

So as strong as a suppressed Mecha Freeza? Both of them were chilling in the ship when everyone sensed them.

I don't think it makes much sense for Cold to be far weaker and still be considered a helpful ally in battle. If anything, he'd just get smacked down with no effort.

 

[ahill1]

Yup agreed with p123; for me King Cold is equal to suppressed Mecha Freeza. There are quotes that suggests King Cold ~ Mecha Freeza ( Suppressed ); there's nothing that suggest Cold can power up, so in cases like this, always assume full power.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

He's relaxed. Why would he be at full-power doing nothing?

His presence in the battle is totally useless if he's that weak. Attacking Goku directly wouldn't even matter.

 

[ahill1]

He's relaxed. Why would he be at full-power doing nothing?

His presence in the battle is totally useless if he's that weak. Attacking Goku directly wouldn't even matter.

Not quite. Nothing suggest that King Cold could power up. Besides this, if Freeza is maybe only slightly stronger than Goku, of course Cold's help would be effective. Vegeta considered valuable Gohan and Kuririn's help against Freeza, even though they are listed at 200,000 and 75,000 respectively, that is, both less than Freeza's half power.

 

[LordBeefdip]

He's relaxed. Why would he be at full-power doing nothing?

His presence in the battle is totally useless if he's that weak. Attacking Goku directly wouldn't even matter.

Not quite. Nothing suggest that King Cold could power up. Besides this, if Freeza is maybe only slightly stronger than Goku, of course Cold's help would be effective. Vegeta considered valuable Gohan and Kuririn's help against Freeza, even though they are listed at 200,000 and 75,000 respectively, that is, both less than Freeza's half power.

I agree.

I see things like this.

On Namek Frieza knew that he and Goku were fairly close in power, or that at least hw could hold his own. I think he was aware that he was weaker, but didn't think that it was by a huge amount.

He probably thought his cyborg enhancements put him to a level about on par with SSj Goku, likely with improved stamina. Granted he wasn't 100% confident, but he figured that with his father as backup that he'd still be able to win.

He also likely didn't think Goku would make any big gains.

I'd put Cold at or a little over the suppressed level Cyborg Frieza was at when they were sensed. Or give or take, between 50-70% Namek saga Frieza. Strong enough that he could easily hang in while his son did most of the heavy lifting, so to speak.

If Frieza and Goku were near even, if Cold could provide a distraction and get in a few sucker punches (While doubling as a meat shield.) it could radically tip the scales in Frieza's favor. Remember that Frieza was able to send Goku flying with 70% of his power. So if Cold could hit him like that a few times it could create a lot of opportunities for Frieza to do some real damage.

Of course this obviously didn't work out in the future time, likely because Goku ended up being stronger than expected, and likely in no mood to fool around. As for the present, Trunks simply doesn't BS around and ended things quick and efficiently.

If put in numbers, I think it would look something like this:

100% Frieza (Organic): 120,000,000
Cyborg Frieza (Suppressed): around 90,000,000 (Unseen 100%): 135,000,000
King Cold: 95,000,000

SSj Goku (What Frieza expected): 130-140 million.
In actuality, SSj Goku could have been in excess of 180 million, and was likely at or near 150 million on Namek.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

If we take DBS into account, it could argued that Freeza assumed it'd be difficult for Goku to make great gains after hitting a pinnacle like Super Saiyan. From his dialogue with Sorbet, it sounded like he'd expected Goku to have not made massive gains in almost 2 decades. He may have thought that Goku would've hit a temporary wall after raising his power so high when he arrived as Mecha Freeza.

Were you watching with Dragon Team's subs? I didn't get that feeling at all