Mecha Freeza saga Piccolo

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I was recently thinking, does he need to be as strong on Mecha Freeza's saga as people usually have him? People ususally put him there like way stronger than 3rd form Freeza and sometimes stronger than even [mecha freeza saga] Vegeta... I don't think it's too much implied he got way stronger despite a little disagreement he had with Vegeta and the fact that he stated to Gohan he had kept training, although in a not so colorful way, just a "more or less".
 

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You're completely overthinking the more or less part.
 

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Why? I think that implies he was training but in a not so much strict way :shc
 

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Yeah... I mean, his argument with Vegeta and Goku's statement, along with Piccolo's leadership position and any of those things being ever contradicted does imply Piccolo is the strongest Z Fighter
 

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Vegeta backed down after Piccolo threatened him.

Piccolo > Vegeta.
 

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He had enough confidence to go fist to cuffs with Vegeta, so I think he's definitely closing in on Vegeta's strength at that point.
 

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Diamond Ryan said:
He had enough confidence to go fist to cuffs with Vegeta, so I think he's definitely closing in on Vegeta's strength at that point.

He was also confident in laying the smack down on Perfect Cell.
 

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If we take Gohan's statement during the Piccolo VS 2nd form Freeza fight of Piccolo not fighting a battle alone if he can't win as a fact, then there's no argument with Piccolo rivalling Vegeta at this time at the very least.
 

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Piccolo challenging Vegeta isn't necessarily a take on his own power, but his personality instead... it's true that he won't pick up a fight he knows he has no chance, but he will also not let someone arrogant as Vegeta to talk shit and have his way out. Also, interesting enough, Piccolo does react kind of in a different way in the Mecha Freeza saga when Vegeta does taunt him compared to his other "scuffles" with Vegeta where we know he was stronger. In the Freeza saga he still keeps his cool and just calmly tells Vegeta that his turn will arrive... the same with his post Kami-self, where he doesn't even reply Vegeta back and allows Vegeta to have the last word, a pretty "harsh" last word worth saying, in which Vegeta asks Piccolo if this latter wants to be the 1st to get killed. Here in the Mecha Freeza saga Piccolo is visibly more annoyed at Vegeta's provocation, with his arms up and even with his tone of voice raised if we do consider the anime... in contrast Vegeta doesn't seem to be annoyed at all at Piccolo and we kind of do see how annoyed Vegeta gets when someone stronger than him does taunt and/or challenges him (e.g being annoyed at Goku stating he's way stronger than Vegeta and also being annoyed at Kamiccolo talk back to him when he also knew he was severely outclassed).

Piccolo's reaction towards Vegeta's provocation does remember me more his reaction towards Raditz taunting him, where he does look visibly annoyed, like if he were aware the provocation is coming from someone of superior power IMO. I don't think it's comparable with him taking a shot against 2nd form Freeza when he knew he was up there with him or him taking a shot against the Saiyajins when he at least knew he was way above the last Saiyajin that came to the Earth... it's just his ego talking louder at the moment and not letting Vegeta have his way out with those snarky comments... in the anime Vegeta is even calling the shots iirc.

I don't think Piccolo is taking the leadership at the Mecha Freeza saga. What we know about Piccolo there going off of my memory:

1 -- he is the one to apparently get there the first, but the Z warriors didn't notice him there because he was with his chi suppressed, and then he gets praised because of it by Vegeta, calling him a "true warrior"... that's far from a compliment on his strength or an indicator that he got way stronger honestly, it's just indicating he seems aware of the situation and is kind of better prepared than the others, who didn't even bother in suppressing their chi -- maybe because they thought the enemy hadn't those Scouters;

2 -- he states to Yamcha that it doesn't make a difference whether they stay there or go to fight, considering their fate will be the same... he knew fully well they were going to be killed and that they had no chance, but as a warrior he prefers to take the shot and fight in the front line than dying other way -- much like Tenshinhan in the androids saga, who also knew he had no chance but thought it was best to die fighting than any other way. He is every bit petrified at Freeza's power as are the other;

3 -- he then gets surprised when a mysterious huge chi appears out of nowhere and is surprised like the others that Freeza got killed easily;

4 -- he is the only one --besides Goku --that hears Trunks' story due to his good ears and then tells everyone the cruel reality. He also gives Yamcha nother "wash of reality" and tells them that if they don't want to train, then it's their choice, but he'll train as hard as he can because he doesn't want to get killed... also tells everyone that the enemy this time will be unthinkably powerful and that it's better for the ones who lack confidence not to show up because they'd be just dragging them out... then it comes Vegeta's provocation and his answer towards it.


Like you can see, there's not much to which you can denote a "leadership" position... he has some cool speechs, but nothing to denote this so much superiority here imo. If we take into consideration his line about showing Yamcha what was going to happen and that it doesn't make a difference whether they stay there or fight, we also have Vegeta:

--> Scolding Tenshinhan and Yamcha for not suppressing their chi;
--> Stating to everyone that that would be the end of the Earth;
--> Stating that they should approach the 'battlefield' by walking so they wouldn't be noticed;
--> Being the 1st one to fly once he noticed Freeza was killed;

Not too much different imo. Granted that Piccolo and Vegeta may have appeared more, but again, they were tye strongest ones there and such.

Anyway, that'd be my opinion on Mecha Freeza saga Piccolo's power... I don't think he necessarily does need to be that much of a powerhouse, and having him above by one level compared to his Freeza saga self may suffice imo.
 

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SSj2 said:
Diamond Ryan said:
He had enough confidence to go fist to cuffs with Vegeta, so I think he's definitely closing in on Vegeta's strength at that point.

He was also confident in laying the smack down on Perfect Cell.

Piccolo was? :wat
 

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Diamond Ryan said:
SSj2 said:
Diamond Ryan said:
He had enough confidence to go fist to cuffs with Vegeta, so I think he's definitely closing in on Vegeta's strength at that point.

He was also confident in laying the smack down on Perfect Cell.

Piccolo was? :wat

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^That could easily be due to him merging with Kami, since it did seem to have some effect on his personality (eg. kindly saying goodbye to Popo).
 

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That's obviously a power statement. "Help Gohan", so Piccolo at the least needs to be within that vicinity of power to be able to help.
 

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He'd help him by an off-guard attack. After all, Shello's DNA has a lot of Galu in it :et
 

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ahill1 said:
Piccolo challenging Vegeta isn't necessarily a take on his own power, but his personality instead... it's true that he won't pick up a fight he knows he has no chance, but he will also not let someone arrogant as Vegeta to talk shit and have his way out. Also, interesting enough, Piccolo does react kind of in a different way in the Mecha Freeza saga when Vegeta does taunt him compared to his other "scuffles" with Vegeta where we know he was stronger. In the Freeza saga he still keeps his cool and just calmly tells Vegeta that his turn will arrive... the same with his post Kami-self, where he doesn't even reply Vegeta back and allows Vegeta to have the last word, a pretty "harsh" last word worth saying, in which Vegeta asks Piccolo if this latter wants to be the 1st to get killed. Here in the Mecha Freeza saga Piccolo is visibly more annoyed at Vegeta's provocation, with his arms up and even with his tone of voice raised if we do consider the anime... in contrast Vegeta doesn't seem to be annoyed at all at Piccolo and we kind of do see how annoyed Vegeta gets when someone stronger than him does taunt and/or challenges him (e.g being annoyed at Goku stating he's way stronger than Vegeta and also being annoyed at Kamiccolo talk back to him when he also knew he was severely outclassed).

Piccolo's reaction towards Vegeta's provocation does remember me more his reaction towards Raditz taunting him, where he does look visibly annoyed, like if he were aware the provocation is coming from someone of superior power IMO. I don't think it's comparable with him taking a shot against 2nd form Freeza when he knew he was up there with him or him taking a shot against the Saiyajins when he at least knew he was way above the last Saiyajin that came to the Earth... it's just his ego talking louder at the moment and not letting Vegeta have his way out with those snarky comments... in the anime Vegeta is even calling the shots iirc.

I don't think Piccolo is taking the leadership at the Mecha Freeza saga. What we know about Piccolo there going off of my memory:

1 -- he is the one to apparently get there the first, but the Z warriors didn't notice him there because he was with his chi suppressed, and then he gets praised because of it by Vegeta, calling him a "true warrior"... that's far from a compliment on his strength or an indicator that he got way stronger honestly, it's just indicating he seems aware of the situation and is kind of better prepared than the others, who didn't even bother in suppressing their chi -- maybe because they thought the enemy hadn't those Scouters;

2 -- he states to Yamcha that it doesn't make a difference whether they stay there or go to fight, considering their fate will be the same... he knew fully well they were going to be killed and that they had no chance, but as a warrior he prefers to take the shot and fight in the front line than dying other way -- much like Tenshinhan in the androids saga, who also knew he had no chance but thought it was best to die fighting than any other way. He is every bit petrified at Freeza's power as are the other;

3 -- he then gets surprised when a mysterious huge chi appears out of nowhere and is surprised like the others that Freeza got killed easily;

4 -- he is the only one --besides Goku --that hears Trunks' story due to his good ears and then tells everyone the cruel reality. He also gives Yamcha nother "wash of reality" and tells them that if they don't want to train, then it's their choice, but he'll train as hard as he can because he doesn't want to get killed... also tells everyone that the enemy this time will be unthinkably powerful and that it's better for the ones who lack confidence not to show up because they'd be just dragging them out... then it comes Vegeta's provocation and his answer towards it.


Like you can see, there's not much to which you can denote a "leadership" position... he has some cool speechs, but nothing to denote this so much superiority here imo. If we take into consideration his line about showing Yamcha what was going to happen and that it doesn't make a difference whether they stay there or fight, we also have Vegeta:

--> Scolding Tenshinhan and Yamcha for not suppressing their chi;
--> Stating to everyone that that would be the end of the Earth;
--> Stating that they should approach the 'battlefield' by walking so they wouldn't be noticed;
--> Being the 1st one to fly once he noticed Freeza was killed;

Not too much different imo. Granted that Piccolo and Vegeta may have appeared more, but again, they were tye strongest ones there and such.

Anyway, that'd be my opinion on Mecha Freeza saga Piccolo's power... I don't think he necessarily does need to be that much of a powerhouse, and having him above by one level compared to his Freeza saga self may suffice imo.

This is good.

Piccolo ain't on Vegeta's level.
 
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