Merged Zamasu runs the ToP Gauntlet

[ahill1]

How far does he get?

Round 2 : MZ has Blue Vegetto helping him; they are fighting as a team.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Depends how much we nerf his immortality, since with that, he could potentially solo.

Assuming we nerf it to Boo tier regeneration, he gets past Toppo as well as CSSB Goku/Vegeta due to superior stamina, but loses to Hit manga-wise. Anime-wise, he'd get up to Toppo and be lucky to get past him, seeing as how his Halo form was still weaker than Kaioken Blue Galu. If it's Mutated or Giant self, he probably gets up to KKx20 Blue Galu or Initial SSBE Vegeta, seeing as how the Genki-Dama Goku used against Jiren should logically be far stronger than the Genki Sword Trunks beat Zamasu with. Infinite Zamasu would get a little further due to his feat of manipulating multiple timelines at once and almost becoming one with the Universe, perhaps beating Hakaishin Toppo and peak SSBE Vegeta, though still get wrecked by Initial Jiren.

 

[Animelover5487]

seeing as how his Halo form was still weaker than Kaioken Blue Galu.

Goku likely used Kaioken x10 there. Goku didn't say Kaioken x10 or x20 against Freeza or Jiren but we knew he was using it.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

Infinite Zamsu would rek Jiren. Goku had to call in Zeno to get rid him.

 

[Animelover5487]

Yeah, even if Jiren is more powerful no one outside of Zen'o and likely the angels would have away around Infinite Zamasu's hax.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Goku likely used Kaioken x10 there. Goku didn't say Kaioken x10 or x20 against Freeza or Jiren but we knew he was using it.

In those cases, we were told through exposition during the battle, unlike against Zamasu where we're given nothing to assume that's so. Goku also overpowered him as a regular SSB prior to the Halo boost, which didn't seem to be too great, so saying he used anything higher than x2 would be unnecessary.

 

[Keedounan]

If this is a life or death fight, Merged Zamasu solos if his immortality doesn't get nerfed.
If this is a ToP fight, Merged Zamasu gets eliminated by either Hit or Aniraza via ringout.

 

[SIAD]

Depends how much we nerf his immortality, since with that, he could potentially solo.

Assuming we nerf it to Boo tier regeneration, he gets past Toppo as well as CSSB Goku/Vegeta due to superior stamina, but loses to Hit manga-wise. Anime-wise, he'd get up to Toppo and be lucky to get past him, seeing as how his Halo form was still weaker than Kaioken Blue Galu. If it's Mutated or Giant self, he probably gets up to KKx20 Blue Galu or Initial SSBE Vegeta, seeing as how the Genki-Dama Goku used against Jiren should logically be far stronger than the Genki Sword Trunks beat Zamasu with. Infinite Zamasu would get a little further due to his feat of manipulating multiple timelines at once and almost becoming one with the Universe, perhaps beating Hakaishin Toppo and peak SSBE Vegeta, though still get wrecked by Initial Jiren.

Jiren Initial is the same that slightly surpassed UI Goku (Initial)?

  How many power increases did Jiren have?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

He seemed to power up about twice prior to fighting MUI Goku. Given Toppo's statement, however, they'd have to be pretty minimal when considering Toppo viewed UI Goku's performance against Kefla as "the depths of his power."

 

[Animelover5487]

Or UI Goku (2nd usage) and SSJ2 Kefla were considerably stronger than Initial Jiren.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Such was never noted so it's doubtful, especially considering Piccolo wasn't 100% sure on Kefla surpassing the power of Goku's first UI usage.

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

My guess he gets wrecked by God Toppo.

 

[Void]

Anime MZ might make it past SSBE Vegeta and GoD Toppo, but even if he does there is no way he is getting past initial UI Goku.

Manga MZ is boned by anyone stronger than SS Blue.

 

[Animelover5487]

Anime MZ might make it past SSBE Vegeta and GoD Toppo, but even if he does there is no way he is getting past initial UI Goku.

How does Goku beat a body-less entity that can become one with the multiverse? Zen'o only destroyed him by erasing everything, something Goku can't do.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'm guessing most people are restricting his immortality when making the decision, since it'd be unfair otherwise.

 

[Void]

Yeah, I don't acknowledge that Infinite Zamasu nonsense. I'm not sure how you can even gauge it.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'm not sure how you can even gauge it.

Well, Shin stated Initial Jiren was the strongest foe Goku had ever faced by far, so just below him is the limit to which you can place Infinite Zamasu. It seemed his power could be sensed as well, given Shin was also able to easily tell he was becoming one with the Universe. I'd tend to place him as high as possible, given how him doing so and affecting two timelines at once was one of the most impressive feats in the series, so at most I'd place him slightly above Hakaishin Toppo and FP SSBE Vegeta.

As far as fighting capabilities and actually countering him goes, that's another story. Considering how Super's dumb writing often brings up the "punch really, really hard" logic of enough power being able to counter hax (Goku VS Hit's Time Skip, Freeza VS Sidra's Hakai, Jiren VS Hit's Cage of Time, etc.), I wouldn't throw away the possibility of Jiren or MUI Galu being able to stop Infinite Zamasu though.

 

[Void]

How though? If Zamasu was constantly growing and immortal what could anyone do? Zeno seemed to be the only one capable of it.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Well, as I said, it's only a thought based on how Super tends to take the cheap route whenever a broken opponent comes about and goes "hurr durr, just powa up!" Logically, I don't think any of the ToP contestants could counter him based on what's been shown. Maybe Toppo has something that could given Beerus implied the Hakaishin have a sealing technique that could've beaten Zamasu with ease, but I doubt Toppo has learnt it if he didn't display such against Vegeta.

It is worth noting that perhaps there is some sort of limit to Zamasu's immortality, given Vegetto seemed confident he could've finished the fight had his time not ran out. Then again, he wasn't aware of Zamasu's ability to become one with the universe/sprout infinite clones, so perhaps his opinion should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[Animelover5487]

I don't think Zamasu's ki actually went up when he merged with the timeline. It was just some weird immortality hax shit. Jiren or MUI Goku beating Infinite Zamasu would require them to be able to destroy a timeline, which isn't within their capabilities.

The Hakaishins and the Angels may be able to defeat him due to all the hax techniques they are implied to have but not Jiren or MUI Goku.