My "Goku was using Match Level on Gohan" gaps

[Hector]

Gohan - 100
Baba Saga Goku (match level) - 100
King Chappa - 120
22nd TB Goku (Chappa) - 140
22nd TB Yamcha - 150
22nd TB Krillin - 155
Taopaipai - 180
Baba Saga Goku (full power) - 200

 

[SSJ2]

I don't think there's any way Match Level to Battle Level can be a 2x difference. That's a wild difference in power.

 

[Animelover5487]

Maybe instead of 2x, like 1.6x. Chappa doesn't need to be much stronger than Gohan. Yamcha also said that he didn't think Chappa could be beaten so easily so the gap should be minimum.

Match Level Baba Goku/Gohan = 100

King Chappa = 105

22nd Chaozu = 110

22nd Yamcha = 115

22nd Kuririn = 120

Initial 22nd Goku = 130

Tao Pai Pai = 144

FP Baba Goku = 160

 

[GSM123]

I don't think there's any way Match Level to Battle Level can be a 2x difference. That's a wild difference in power.

I can see it. It is described as a “whole new level of power”.

 

[SSJ2]

I can see it. It is described as a “whole new level of power”.

He should be one shotting Tenshinhan with that amount of change.

 

[Animelover5487]

He should be one shotting Tenshinhan with that amount of change.

Oneshoting isn't always consistent. 50% Freeza didn't oneshot Goku.

 

[SSJ2]

Goku tells us his advantage wouldn't be that large though. And the advantage he had over Tenshinhan clearly wasn't that massive as they had a pretty close fight after.

 

[Papasmurf]

Oneshoting isn't always consistent. 50% Freeza didn't oneshot Goku.

Even FP Goku wasn't far ahead of Tenshinhan, so unless Ten is like 1.9x ahead of match level Goku it can't be a 2x difference.

 

[Animelover5487]

Maybe Goku was using more of his match level on Ten. There is no set multiplier given for it. There is no quantifiable amount to it, all we know is that Goku is holding back to not kill his opponent.

 

[Papasmurf]

Maybe Goku was using more of his match level on Ten. There is no set multiplier given for it. There is no quantifiable amount to it, all we know is that Goku is holding back to not kill his opponent.

Nobody noted Goku went more all-out against Ten initially than he did when defeating Kuririn. In fact he used the exact same maneuver of "disappearing" and then reappearing.

 

[SSJ2]

Goku treats Match Level as a distinct level that has a limit.



To which he said he was going all out at... He was a good deal behind Tenshinhan, but the fact that he ends up being within rivalling range of Tenshinhan using Battle Level means the difference can't be that much.

 

[Hector]

Even FP Goku wasn't far ahead of Tenshinhan, so unless Ten is like 1.9x ahead of match level Goku it can't be a 2x difference.

Are we sure Tenshinhan was already using his full power when Goku was still at Match Level?

 

[Papasmurf]

Are we sure Tenshinhan was already using his full power when Goku was still at Match Level?

Nobody noted Tenshinhan got stronger or faster after Goku started using his FP. Not even Goku went and said something to that effect, something he usually does when the other party suddenly starts to do better than before.

 

[Hector]

Nobody noted Tenshinhan got stronger or faster after Goku started using his FP. Not even Goku went and said something to that effect, something he usually does when the other party suddenly starts to do better than before.

They were equal when Goku used Match Level, they were equal when Goku used Battle Level. So obviously Tenshinhan increased his power too.

 

[Papasmurf]

They were equal when Goku used Match Level, they were equal when Goku used Battle Level. So obviously Tenshinhan increased his power too.

Tenshinhan stomped Match Level Goku. Goku literally only got one hit in, which didn't even draw blood, and then went on to take visible damage from Tenshinhan's Haikyuu-ken. And Goku visibly took the upper hand against Ten, even managing to move his arms so fast that he couldn't keep up even with 4 arms. Which was... after Ten got a bunch of free hits in when Goku was frozen in place by Chaozu and couldn't even defend himself.

FP Goku > Tenshinhan > Match Level Goku.

 

[Hector]

Tenshinhan stomped Match Level Goku. Goku literally only got one hit in, which didn't even draw blood, and then went on to take visible damage from Tenshinhan's Haikyuu-ken.

I don't think Ten stomped. They were equal until Ten saw through Goku's afterimage, which Goku didn't expect, so that allowed Ten a few hits.

And Goku visibly took the upper hand against Ten, even managing to move his arms so fast that he couldn't keep up even with 4 arms. Which was... after Ten got a bunch of free hits in when Goku was frozen in place by Chaozu and couldn't even defend himself.

They were dead even until Chaozu interfered. I think Goku's multiple-arms-illusion move was something similar to King Chappa's hassuken, a pseudo kaioken.

 

[Papasmurf]

I don't think Ten stomped. They were equal until Ten saw through Goku's afterimage, which Goku didn't expect, so that allowed Ten a few hits.

Goku immediately had to resort to his FP once Ten used the Haikyuu-ken, and he was seen visibly wiping blood. Ten had the upper hand against Match Level Goku without a doubt.

They were dead even until Chaozu interfered. I think Goku's multiple-arms-illusion move was something similar to King Chappa's hassuken, a pseudo kaioken.

They weren't dead even at all. Goku was outmaneuvering him every step of the way, which is why the Crane Hermit even decided to have Chaozu cheat on Ten's behalf. And there's no proof of Goku's power increasing in the least from using the 8-arms fist, in fact Roshi openly said he was just moving his arms really fast and nothing more.

 

[GSM123]

I was talking about this with P the other day, but Goku vs Tenshinhan is really no different than Goku vs Jackie or Goku vs Piccolo. Goku stays ahead because he's constantly outsmarting his foe.

 

[Papasmurf]

Nah I see a visible advantage on Gokus part. With Roshi you see Goku openly admitting he'd still have lost because the old-timer was strong (and had more versatile techniques), Tenshinhan said he lost in a contest of strength and Roshi didn't even deny that. If you count the number of hits Ten actually landed on Goku without Chaozu's intervention or Goku being at match level, it's close to zero. He had the upper hand for like 2 seconds with the Shiyo-ken and it was immediately reversed from Goku just moving his arms fast. If Ten was truly equal in power to Goku he wouldn't have resorted to literally blowing up the ring, much less after Goku was struck 4 times while defenseless.

In the anime it was more even though. In the manga, it's clear who's the superior of the two. Ten even said he'd be completely useless against a foe who could defeat even Goku, putting him on a higher pedestal than he did himself.