My ultimate Freeza-Androids analysis: trying to get into AT's mind

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I figured the best way to analyze anything about a fictional story is trying to guess what the writer had in mind when creating it.
Let's give it a shot...

SSJ Namek Goku/100% Freeza: There can't be a great gap between them, otherwise what's the point of all that Freeza's power up
sequence? Why did AT bother with all those impressive visuals if they were all for nothing and Freeza was still a small fry to Goku
anyway? I think it's obvious the concept here was the clash of two divine powers, unmatched by any other, in a fight any of the two
sides could win. Therefore...
SSJ Namek Goku- 150
100% Freeza- 140

Mecha Freeza: Here, it is obvious. He became somewhat stronger and stated he could probably defeat Goku. Therefore...
Mecha Freeza- 160

SSJ Future Trunks (debut): At this point, the concept of different PLs for each Super Saiyan is foreign. Even the fact that there is a
second Super Saiyan comes as a huge surprise. In other words, at this point, the Super Saiyan is still treated as a certain, unmatched
power. That's why i'm pretty sure AT had in mind a PL equal to Namek Goku when presenting Trunks.
As for Trunks prompting Freeza to go full power, well it hadn't been long since AT had shown that Freeza's max can't be accessed that
easily, so i don't think he had forgotten it. Trunks probably provoked him so that he could attack him while he was powering up.
AT could have shown Mecha Freeza doing another impressive sequence, going full power and being defeated after a hard battle,
either by Goku or Future Trunks, but he felt there was no point, since that villain had already been defeated. He brought Freeza
back just to use him as a measuring stick for the new villains, so he wanted to get that fight over with. Therefore...
SSJ Future Trunks (debut)- 150

SSJ Yardrat Goku: I think 10% a gap over Trunks is fine, since, as i've analyzed extensively before, 10% is enough for a stomp.
Also, i think 10% gains are fine for 1.5 year of little to no training. Therefore...
SSJ Yardrat Goku- 165

Future Androids: Trunks said they're too strong to beat, but not too strong to put up somewhat of a fight against. Also, he felt some
hope after seeing Yardrat Goku. Therefore...
Future Androids- 180

Android Arc: Vegeta was implied to be at Future Androids level. I know this is vague and unproven, but, since it's the only evidence
and since it's many times implied not to be a great gap among unmastered Super Saiyans in general, i'll use it...
Goku/Vegeta (post 3 years)- 180
Present Androids- 200

Future Gohan: I think AT messed up at Lone Warrior, with SSJ Trunks fighting Base Gohan and that ''less than half'' statement.
Since he liked himself the tv special, i recommend that, just this once, we prefer the anime over the manga...
SSJ Future Gohan- 180

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The main point of Freeza coming to planet Earth was to show how fodder he is to Trunks who is already fodder to the Androids therefore Freeza should be at full power when he fought Trunks.

Don't forget that Yadrat Goku > Rumour Goku > Trunks which mean their gap should be greater than 10%, 20% sounds fine IMO.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Freeza was used so that the second SSJ had a reason to show his power. Trunks being Namek Goku level and being scared of the new villains
is enough to make them fearsome.

 

[Jeff Styles]

Goku told Trunks he was gonna uses IT to arrived to killed Freeza, but then Trunks came along and Goku let Trunks take care of him.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Still that doesn't mean Goku wouldn't use IT if he saw Trunks is having a hard time.

 

[kriss-]

1) Freeza is a small fry to Goku. If you're going to get into Akira Toriyama's mind, it's best to recognize that he stated he would have used the Daizenshuu to create the actual story. Would he use your analysis to write the story?

2) Freeza isn't certain if he can take Goku on his own. He brought Cold along just in case.

3) Too small of a gap between Yardrat Goku and Future Trunks.

4) Trunks seemed to have hope based on Goku's current battle power and what he could accomplish within 3 years.

 

[Tapion]

For one guy that said many times that gaps aren't linear, you're trustful on gaps, aren't ya?

 

[Tapion]

3) Too small of a gap between Yardrat Goku and Trunks.

For these calculations we're going to completely disregard fan made myths about gaps and the absurd stupidity that they cause

k

 

[kriss-]

3) Too small of a gap between Yardrat Goku and Trunks.

For these calculations we're going to completely disregard fan made myths about gaps and the absurd stupidity that they cause

k

If you have nothing to add to the discussion don't say anything at all. @Mike @Uchiha

Stop this guy before he fucks the thread up.

 

[Six Trails]

@Saylé My best advice is to just put him on ignore if you don't want to read his posts. You can do that by adding him as a foe on his profile.

 

[kriss-]

He tends to spam threads with absolutely nothing of value until... TA-DA, 5 pages later the discussion at hand has completely deviated from an otherwise, well thought out idea.

That shouldn't be allowed.

 

[Tapion]

I just pointed out a plothole on your point of view about gaps. Why you're so angry? Chill down man, this is a forum discussion. And this is valuable for the thread because it proves that you're perspective in this is not as good as it looks.

And again, you're being a complete hypocrite. You talk about deviating threads, but you don't look at the mirror. You already deviated the Future Trunks thread by talking about Evil Vegeta changing his opinion on small time frames, instead of the thread itself. You began talking about Evil Vegeta being a " fucking clown" or some stuff like that and ignored many warnings from the mods. I at least try to change instead of being such hypocrite with my povs.

 

[KaiserRico]

It's a cartoon guys.

 

[kriss-]

It's a cartoon guys.

Peoples ideas should generally be respected. Theories are presented so we can talk about them and add to them or contradict them. Saying nothing that has no value whatsoever and intentionally trolling members with the discussion at hand is a not a respectable thing to do, nor does it help further the idea.

 

[Tapion]

It's a cartoon guys.

Peoples ideas should generally be respected. Theories are presented so we can talk about them and add to them or contradict them. Saying nothing that has no value whatsoever and intentionally trolling members with the discussion at hand is a not a respectable thing to do, nor does it help further the idea.

What i did was valuable for the thread because i showed that you're perspective is not as "perfect" as you think that it is. You're also being a hypocrite when saying that because you already did that many times with me and members such as @Evil Vegeta.

 

[kriss-]

Here he goes again.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

1) Freeza is a small fry to Goku. If you're going to get into Akira Toriyama's mind, it's best to recognize that he stated he would have used the Daizenshuu to create the actual story. Would he use your analysis to write the story?

Daiz numbers were created by some fan like us and AT didn't give them much thought. Why give some random guy the honor of knowing
better than us?

 

[Tapion]

1) Freeza is a small fry to Goku. If you're going to get into Akira Toriyama's mind, it's best to recognize that he stated he would have used the Daizenshuu to create the actual story. Would he use your analysis to write the story?

Daiz numbers were created by some fan like us and AT didn't give them much thought. Why give some random guy the honor of knowing
better than us?

The Daizenshuu was written by many people that worked on the series as well, not only a "random guy"

 

[kriss-]

1) Freeza is a small fry to Goku. If you're going to get into Akira Toriyama's mind, it's best to recognize that he stated he would have used the Daizenshuu to create the actual story. Would he use your analysis to write the story?

Daiz numbers were created by some fan like us and AT didn't give them much thought. Why give some random guy the honor of knowing
better than us?

They had direct contact with Akira Toriyama, their opinion should be the correct one by default.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

AT didn't check it, he just approved it.