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For about 10 years I've held the position that Oozaru Goku killed Gohan, therefore, Oozaru Goku > Gohan.
But it's become increasingly apparent to me that I was wrong. @SSJ2 was right about this issue all along. He's been consistent for 10 years about this issue and seems to have been on the right side of things all this time. I gotta give credit where it's due. This is the first time I've had my ass whooped so thoroughly for such a large section of the series in a long time. This issue completely dominates the Initial Goku to Post Korin Goku gaps. I can't remember how long it's been since I've been so thoroughly outclassed on a topic that spanned such a huge amount of the power scaling landscape. Gotta give bro his flowers here.
To summarize the lengthy debates I've been having with him on the subject, here is the evidence that finally got me to come around on the topic.
1. Oozaru Goku is 10x stronger than Kid Goku.
2. 21st Yamcha should be significantly superior to Initial Yamcha who was somewhat rivaling Goku.
3. Jackie Chun can wind chop 21st Yamcha. This is a huge feat, this is a superior than 1 shot gap type of feat. It has to be beyond 1.5x.
4. Initial Krillin seems to be rivaling Wind Chop Jackie.
5. Jackie powers up against Krillin to a level where he couldn't see previously in a feat that seems to be very similar to General Blue's attack on Krillin. This gap should be somewhere around a 1.5x gap, it's a tremendous feat.
6. Krillin is able to keep up with Powered up Jackie, but is inevitably one shotted by Full Power Jackie.
7. Full Power Jackie ~ 21st Goku W/o Tail.
8. Mummy should be a bit above Goku W/o Tail 21st power and Jackie's power.
9. Goku (vs Mummy) is able to one shot Mummy.
10. Devil is still confident he can defeat Goku, which suggests he's a bit stronger than Goku who just 1 shotted Mummy is.
11. FP Goku one shots Devil in a way that seems to be beyond a typical one shot. He literally implants Devil into a wall and this one shot seems to get much hype and praise, Goku even saying he possibly overdid it. Now, we've seen others implanted into the dirt (Post Korin Goku vs Tao, King Piccolo (Young) vs Goku), but everything surrounding the fight seems to indicate it's beyond a typical 1 shot.
This many 1 shot gaps and superior to 1 shot gaps lead to a Grandpa Gohan significantly superior to Oozaru Goku. There's just no way around it. And each step has been hyper analyzed as well. There's really not much room to debate.
So anyway, figured I'd share all the good work me, GSM, and SSJ2 have been doing on the topic.
But it's become increasingly apparent to me that I was wrong. @SSJ2 was right about this issue all along. He's been consistent for 10 years about this issue and seems to have been on the right side of things all this time. I gotta give credit where it's due. This is the first time I've had my ass whooped so thoroughly for such a large section of the series in a long time. This issue completely dominates the Initial Goku to Post Korin Goku gaps. I can't remember how long it's been since I've been so thoroughly outclassed on a topic that spanned such a huge amount of the power scaling landscape. Gotta give bro his flowers here.
To summarize the lengthy debates I've been having with him on the subject, here is the evidence that finally got me to come around on the topic.
1. Oozaru Goku is 10x stronger than Kid Goku.
2. 21st Yamcha should be significantly superior to Initial Yamcha who was somewhat rivaling Goku.
3. Jackie Chun can wind chop 21st Yamcha. This is a huge feat, this is a superior than 1 shot gap type of feat. It has to be beyond 1.5x.
4. Initial Krillin seems to be rivaling Wind Chop Jackie.
5. Jackie powers up against Krillin to a level where he couldn't see previously in a feat that seems to be very similar to General Blue's attack on Krillin. This gap should be somewhere around a 1.5x gap, it's a tremendous feat.
6. Krillin is able to keep up with Powered up Jackie, but is inevitably one shotted by Full Power Jackie.
7. Full Power Jackie ~ 21st Goku W/o Tail.
8. Mummy should be a bit above Goku W/o Tail 21st power and Jackie's power.
9. Goku (vs Mummy) is able to one shot Mummy.
10. Devil is still confident he can defeat Goku, which suggests he's a bit stronger than Goku who just 1 shotted Mummy is.
11. FP Goku one shots Devil in a way that seems to be beyond a typical one shot. He literally implants Devil into a wall and this one shot seems to get much hype and praise, Goku even saying he possibly overdid it. Now, we've seen others implanted into the dirt (Post Korin Goku vs Tao, King Piccolo (Young) vs Goku), but everything surrounding the fight seems to indicate it's beyond a typical 1 shot.
This many 1 shot gaps and superior to 1 shot gaps lead to a Grandpa Gohan significantly superior to Oozaru Goku. There's just no way around it. And each step has been hyper analyzed as well. There's really not much room to debate.
So anyway, figured I'd share all the good work me, GSM, and SSJ2 have been doing on the topic.
