Ozaru Vegeta

[ahill1]

How strong do you think he was? We know that the Ozaru multiplies Vegeta's battle power by a factor of 10, which would make a Ozaru Vegeta, on his utmost capabilities, as 180k. But considering Vegeta had already been considerably damaged by then, and that his power also took a significant dip after he producced the fake moon, how strong do you think he was?

 

[Papasmurf]

50,000 tops imo.

 

[SSJ2]

Equal to SSJ Goten (pre-Rosat).

 

[Papasmurf]

Stronger than SSJ3 GT Goku.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Stronger than any DBZ character. He did this to SS4 Galu.

In all seriousness though, his battle power's probably around 45k when we saw him in Z, seeing as how Goku didn't use a level of Kaioken higher than x5 as the benchmark. I don't see his current limitations being a factor for him not bringing them up, given with the strain he had with x4 and barely being able to use x2 at this point, him using Kaioken x5 is just as improbable as him asspulling x10.

There's also tailless Vegeta not being much stronger than a Gohan who ought to have not gained a much bigger rage boost than his Masenko against Nappa, as well as limiting Oozaru Vegeta's power limiting the Genki-Dama's, which makes Vegeta have the durability to survive it when it was just under half it's original power to be far more believable than if it was still around 50-100k or something.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Vegeta had a moderate advantage over Enraged Gohan, who is 2100 in my books, so Vegeta's
PL at this point must be around 2500.
If you go with having his tail cut off not reducing his power (seriously, i don't think it does;
AT had definitely forgotten about that by then), his Oozaru is 25.000
If you go with his power being reduced post tail loss, his Oozaru was 30.000 or a little higher.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

If you go with having his tail cut off not reducing his power (seriously, i don't think it does;
AT had definitely forgotten about that by then), his Oozaru is 25.000
If you go with his power being reduced post tail loss, his Oozaru was 30.000 or a little higher.

Chapter: 233 (DBZ 39), P11.3
Goku: “Even if I raise the Kaio-Ken to x5, it still won't have any effect on him!!!!”

Oozaru Vegeta would still have to end up above 40k based on that. I doubt Goku was factoring in his current condition since, as I've already stated, raising the Kaioken to x5 in his state was an impossibility anyway.

Also, this statement after the battle.

Chapter: 241 (DBZ 47), P10.1
Goku: “I trained under Lord Kaio… I thought I’d hit the peak of power… But Vegeta was…so far above me…! I was shocked… Scared…”

Sounds like he was factoring in their power ups such as Kaioken and Oozaru if he were to bother bringing up "the peak of power".

 

[withheldforprivacy]

If you go with having his tail cut off not reducing his power (seriously, i don't think it does;
AT had definitely forgotten about that by then), his Oozaru is 25.000
If you go with his power being reduced post tail loss, his Oozaru was 30.000 or a little higher.

Chapter: 233 (DBZ 39), P11.3
Goku: “Even if I raise the Kaio-Ken to x5, it still won't have any effect on him!!!!”

Oozaru Vegeta would still have to end up above 40k based on that. I doubt Goku was factoring in his current condition since, as I've already stated, raising the Kaioken to x5 in his state was an impossibility anyway.

Also, this statement after the battle.

Chapter: 241 (DBZ 47), P10.1
Goku: “I trained under Lord Kaio… I thought I’d hit the peak of power… But Vegeta was…so far above me…! I was shocked… Scared…”

Sounds like he was factoring in their power ups such as Kaioken and Oozaru if he were to bother bringing up "the peak of power".

So, can we deduce Gohan's rage boost against Vegeta was far greater than against Nappa?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Whilst the lack of drama around it would suggest not, it's the only logical route to have everything line up perfectly. Gohan's rage boosts are always plot based anyway.

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

I always took 180k for granted, but feats wise he's probably 35,000 tops.

 

[ahill1]

If you go with having his tail cut off not reducing his power (seriously, i don't think it does;
AT had definitely forgotten about that by then), his Oozaru is 25.000
If you go with his power being reduced post tail loss, his Oozaru was 30.000 or a little higher.

Chapter: 233 (DBZ 39), P11.3
Goku: “Even if I raise the Kaio-Ken to x5, it still won't have any effect on him!!!!”

Oozaru Vegeta would still have to end up above 40k based on that. I doubt Goku was factoring in his current condition since, as I've already stated, raising the Kaioken to x5 in his state was an impossibility anyway.

Also, this statement after the battle.

Chapter: 241 (DBZ 47), P10.1
Goku: “I trained under Lord Kaio… I thought I’d hit the peak of power… But Vegeta was…so far above me…! I was shocked… Scared…”

Sounds like he was factoring in their power ups such as Kaioken and Oozaru if he were to bother bringing up "the peak of power".

Well, Goku stated that "I am no match for him, even if I raise the Kaioken up to 5x"... doesn't it sound like Goku was considering his current conditions for such? Goku was considerably battered by then, so his Kaioken x5 there could be considerably below 40k.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I don't see why he'd bother factoring in his current condition during the x5 statement when not only could he barely use x4 at his peak without destroying his body, but in his current condition he could barely utilise x2.

 

[ahill1]

I don't see why he'd bother factoring in his current condition during the x5 statement when not only could he barely use x4 at his peak without destroying his body, but in his current condition he could barely utilise x2.

But if even in his peak the Kaioken x5 was still beyond his reach, what would be the difference?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I don't see why Goku would bother using a fatigued Kaioken x5 as a benchmark when he may as well have just said "Even if I weren't tired and used Kaioken x3/4".

 

[withheldforprivacy]

If you don't like the Kaioken 5x line, just go with the super creative Viz alternative: 'i need to gather more power'.

 

[ahill1]

I don't see why Goku would bother using a fatigued Kaioken x5 as a benchmark when he may as well have just said "Even if I weren't tired and used Kaioken x3/4".

That'd be the case if a fresh Kaioken x3/x4 was a batter benchmark than the Kaioken x5. If Goku were at 6,000 there, then a hypothetical Kaioken x5 would place him at a battle power of 30k... his fresh Kaioken x4 woule be stronger than his Kaioken x5 in his current condition, but the difference would be so small that pulling a more complicated "even if I were fresh and were to use a Kaioken x4" line could not be warranted there. If Oozaru Vegeta were then, let's say, at 35,000 that could explain better base Vegeta's feats against a hypothetical enraged Gohan, as there's no proof Vegeta lost even more power after reverting back to his base form.