Piccolo and Goku vs Raditz

[SSJ2]

When Raditz measure their Battle Powers at 408 and 416 respectively, was this measuring their resting ki?

 

[GSM123]

I think so. They hadn’t started fighting yet, and it makes more sense than those one time 2-3x blast power up that were never heard of again.

There’s this theory that 924 and 1,330 were Goku and Piccolo’s full powers that they couldn’t access through other means due to the rudimentar Ki control they had at the time.

 

[SSJ2]

Galu pretty well had mastered the control of ki by that point in time though.. Their best ki attacks definitely exceed their natural abilities, but I agree on Galu's KHH not being a 2.2x boost or whatever it was. If their base powers were above 408/416, it could explain why we never saw Piccolo use the Makankosappo after the Saiyan arc despite being able to charge it up instantly against Nappa. It would also mean the Gekiretsu Kodan wouldn't need such an outrageous boost in power in the Android arc, reducing Imperfect Cell's powa.

Given that Galu was able to clash with Raditz briefly on his own, I think 600+ works better.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Considering all official sources (bar one) that have commented on it such as the Daizenshuu cite it as their power and even full power at the time, definitely not.

Daizenshuu 7

Piccolo: 408

"Unfastening his training equipment, he stands ready to fight at full power. The Makankōsappō that he fires from his fingertips has a power equivalent to 1,330."

Out of universe, it's most likely Toriyama wasn't thinking too deeply about the battle power system (as though he ever did) to factor in things such as resting Ki. In-universe, it's most likely resting Ki didn't become something the fighters possessed until after their training for the Saiyans to further enhance their Ki, considering Kuririn didn't charge up his Ki when standing around for Bulma to rate him or made any argument against a 322 power being capable of killing him and Roshi.

The only conflicting evidence is the Shonen Jump entry rating 23rd TB Goku at 910 without any specification on it referring to just the power of his Super Kamehameha, though considering how entries from that source can be, I'd say it doesn't hold much weight compared to the Daizenshuu entry that backs up what the manga presents to us.

 

[Hector]

I have their full powers at about 750 each at the beginning of Z.

 

[GSM123]

Galu pretty well had mastered the control of ki by that point in time though.. Their best ki attacks definitely exceed their natural abilities, but I agree on Galu's KHH not being a 2.2x boost or whatever it was. If their base powers were above 408/416, it could explain why we never saw Piccolo use the Makankosappo after the Saiyan arc despite being able to charge it up instantly against Nappa. It would also mean the Gekiretsu Kodan wouldn't need such an outrageous boost in power in the Android arc, reducing Imperfect Cell's powa.

Given that Galu was able to clash with Raditz briefly on his own, I think 600+ works better.

Well the idea of Goku and Piccolo not being at full power goes both ways when it comes to their Ki control. If you think Goku was already pretty good at it, then he and Piccolo probably were already able of using their power in quick bursts already. I'm not sure about that since Goku isn't noted as doing such until Namek though, when he had already gotten used with fighting in bursts thanks to the Kaio-Ken, but it's the most likely option to me.

Well apparently the Makankosappo was never used afterwards because of the charging time, which the Daizenshuu 7 described as the weakness of the technique. So it sounds like there's no solving the charging time, and what Piccolo used on Nappa might have been a lookalike. Didn't it blow up when it hit the ground anyway?

 

[SSJ2]

Galu pretty well had mastered the control of ki by that point in time though.. Their best ki attacks definitely exceed their natural abilities, but I agree on Galu's KHH not being a 2.2x boost or whatever it was. If their base powers were above 408/416, it could explain why we never saw Piccolo use the Makankosappo after the Saiyan arc despite being able to charge it up instantly against Nappa. It would also mean the Gekiretsu Kodan wouldn't need such an outrageous boost in power in the Android arc, reducing Imperfect Cell's powa.

Given that Galu was able to clash with Raditz briefly on his own, I think 600+ works better.

and what Piccolo used on Nappa might have been a lookalike. Didn't it blow up when it hit the ground anyway?

No.

 

[GSM123]

Well it does in the anime, but it probably was Kuririn's blast exploding instead.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah I think they could definitely output more power when actively fighting Raditz. It also happens with the part 1 numbers, since Goku and Piccolo Jr. apparently did increase their powers by many fold after the 3 years. It'd still be significantly less than their special technique, which were read as 924 and 1330... I'd peg them at around 700 or so.