Pirate Robot vs General Blue

[SSJ2]

Blue can't use his telekinesis.

Personally I think this is a good fight. They can both tool 21st Krillin.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think General Blue wins. Kuririn only noted after Goku fought General Blue, that he has gotten even stronger since the tournament.

 

[SSJ2]

He never saw Goku fight the Pirate Robot though.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He never saw Goku fight the Pirate Robot though.

Weren't they fighting together? I swear I remember that.

 

[SSJ2]

Goku told Krillin to go on ahead and fought the Robot on his own.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku told Krillin to go on ahead and fought the Robot on his own.

In that case, I'm not sure. But Kuririn did think Goku could handle the Robot then, or else would he have left? Was he surprised when he later saw Goku?

I mean Kuririn at this point didn't know Goku got stronger, but still let him fight the Robot on his own.

 

[SSJ2]

Krillin was there for a brief moment and got clocked by the Pirate Robot. Then Goku says, "This is your chance, go for it!!" and Krillin escapes and says, "Okay! Good luck!!"

Goku ended up owning it, but had to use a fair amount of effort.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Since Kuririn, at-least looking at the dialogue, doesn't seem to hesitate to leave Goku alone to fight, it might be fair to say General Blue > Pirate-Robot.

 

[ahill1]

I think that Blue would win. In addition to being the last opponent (the final boss), Krillin seems to treat Blue's strength with more respect than he did with the Pirate Robot. The Pirate Robot was very strong, but still at a level where Krillin could put up a fight, unlike General Blue, whose strength has already belonged to another level. In addition, Blue was confident to defeat Goku even knowing that he had (probably) defeated the Pirate Robot.

Note the comment that Krillin did concerning General Blue's and Pirate Robot's strength ... While the Robot was very strong, Blue's strength was treated as something more serious.

Kuririn 100
Pirate Robot 120
General Blue 135
Son Goku 168

 

[p123]

Yep and I'd even go as far to say that 21st Budokai Goku = Goku ( Vs Pirate Robot )

Nothing in that fight suggested that Goku had powered up to Krillen, so I think Goku should be holding back a little there.

General Blue seems to be more on 21st Budokai Goku's level, and Goku being able to easily handle him is what makes Krillen realize how strong Goku is now.

So I go with something like this....


Goku ( True Power ) >> Goku 21st Budokai, ( Goku vs PR ) ~ General Blue > Pirate Robot > Krillen

The biggest issue in all of this is how big of a gap does General Blue have on Krillen? How much of a gap does Goku have on General Blue? They seem to be around the same and the gap seems quite massive. How massive? I'm not sure.

But I get the feeling General Blue > Krillen, may be bigger than we expect. This needs discussion.

 

[SSJ2]

Blue's gap is very big over Krillin, because Krillin said he was going to get serious multiple times, and it never amounted to anything. He landed a good blow on Blue but it didn't affect him. So yeah, I'd agree with Blue ~ 21st Goku, and maybe even say that he surpassed 21st Goku.

Gok vs Blue is much larger than Blue vs Krillin. That was a pure ass kicking.

Where do you figure Metallic into this? Superior to the Pirate Robot?

 

[ahill1]

@Super Saiyan God, I have it something like this :

Blue vs Kuririn - 75/100
Goku vs Blue - 83/100

The gap between Blue vs. Krillin should definitely be larger than between Goku vs Blue ... Notice the facial expressions of Blue while he is punching Krillin. Blue is punching Krillin practically effortless. Meanwhile, the facial expressions of Goku suggest that he's actually putting effort into his moves to defeat Blue. Hell, the gap between Blue vs Kuririn should be even bigger than 75/100 IMO, maybe a 66/100 gap works better.

 

[Animelover5487]

I think the gap should be the same between Goku vs Blue and Krillin vs Blue. Despite Blue's calm expression, Krillin was able to legitimately hit and make Blue bleed. Blue couldn't hit Goku once without his telekinesis.

As for the topic. Blue wins, Krillin hadn't noticed a change in Goku's strength until Blue and while the Pirate Robot did tank all of Krillin's hits he didn't really stomp Krillin like Blue did. Most of the Pirate Robot's feats are just attributed by his abnormal body structure like Buyon than actual power.

 

[ahill1]

I think the gap should be the same between Goku vs Blue and Krillin vs Blue. Despite Blue's calm expression, Krillin was able to legitimately hit and make Blue bleed. Blue couldn't hit Goku once without his telekinesis.

As for the topic. Blue wins, Krillin hadn't noticed a change in Goku's strength until Blue and while the Pirate Robot did tank all of Krillin's hits he didn't really stomp Krillin like Blue did. Most of the Pirate Robot's feats are just attributed by his abnormal body structure like Buyon than actual power.

Krillin could only kick Blue after fool him with their after image... without it he could not.

As the outcome of the battle, I agree, Blue would win.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Yep and I'd even go as far to say that 21st Budokai Goku = Goku ( Vs Pirate Robot )

Nothing in that fight suggested that Goku had powered up to Krillen, so I think Goku should be holding back a little there.

General Blue seems to be more on 21st Budokai Goku's level, and Goku being able to easily handle him is what makes Krillen realize how strong Goku is now.

So I go with something like this....


Goku ( True Power ) >> Goku 21st Budokai, ( Goku vs PR ) ~ General Blue > Pirate Robot > Krillen

The biggest issue in all of this is how big of a gap does General Blue have on Krillen? How much of a gap does Goku have on General Blue? They seem to be around the same and the gap seems quite massive. How massive? I'm not sure.

But I get the feeling General Blue > Krillen, may be bigger than we expect. This needs discussion.

My contribution, P...
-Krillin couldn't sense chi, robot had no chi anyway and all Krillin saw was the robot tanking a hit. Us, on the other hand, saw Goku exerting more
effort against Robot than against Blue.
-Currently, i give Blue 1.33x over Krillin. I think it's almost at one shot, but just not there.
-Goku talked with belittlement about Blue after their brief exchange. Blue took a knee hit on the back of head (Goku's expression showed he was
hitting hard). Lastly, after being free of paralysis, Goku seemed to have one shotted him with RPS punch, but, then, it turned out Blue hadn't
been knocked out. All in all, i'll give them a 1.33x as well; almost one shot, but not one shot.

 

[Animelover5487]

I think the gap should be the same between Goku vs Blue and Krillin vs Blue. Despite Blue's calm expression, Krillin was able to legitimately hit and make Blue bleed. Blue couldn't hit Goku once without his telekinesis.

As for the topic. Blue wins, Krillin hadn't noticed a change in Goku's strength until Blue and while the Pirate Robot did tank all of Krillin's hits he didn't really stomp Krillin like Blue did. Most of the Pirate Robot's feats are just attributed by his abnormal body structure like Buyon than actual power.

Krillin could only kick Blue after fool him with their after image... without it he could not.

As the outcome of the battle, I agree, Blue would win.

The afterimage is part of Krillin's power which means that at that moment in time Krillin was too fast for Blue to react to in time. Otherwise, Blue would have noticed the image before Krillin could move.

 

[ahill1]

I think the gap should be the same between Goku vs Blue and Krillin vs Blue. Despite Blue's calm expression, Krillin was able to legitimately hit and make Blue bleed. Blue couldn't hit Goku once without his telekinesis.

As for the topic. Blue wins, Krillin hadn't noticed a change in Goku's strength until Blue and while the Pirate Robot did tank all of Krillin's hits he didn't really stomp Krillin like Blue did. Most of the Pirate Robot's feats are just attributed by his abnormal body structure like Buyon than actual power.

Krillin could only kick Blue after fool him with their after image... without it he could not.

As the outcome of the battle, I agree, Blue would win.

The afterimage is part of Krillin's power which means that at that moment in time Krillin was too fast for Blue to react to in time. Otherwise, Blue would have noticed the image before Krillin could move.

Namu could react to Goku's Zanzoken, while Blue could not react to Krillin's Zanzoken. Does this imply that Namu > Blue?

 

[Animelover5487]

I do believe that Nam is a little stronger than Blue, but that in particular doesn't imply Nam > Blue. Reaction feats vary depending on how serious the fighter is acting and such. Blue most likely couldn't react to it because he was trolling around with Krillin while Nam and Goku were dead serious during their battle. Which shows that while Blue was at a level where he could easily defeat Krillin, but wasn't quite at the level where he could do it without even trying which is what I was trying to get at.