Power Creep in Dragon Ball

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From my limited understanding of the new content, I've been reading that Perfected Ultra Instinct puts Goku in the upper tier of fighters from all the collective universes. Given the structure of Dragon Ball and the necessity for a new big bad that will be a challenge for the cast, it means that Goku and co will inevitably become more and more powerful and breaking perceived or established limits. Is there a limit to this?
 

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Of course there are no limits. Isn't "limitbreaker" one of the forms at this point?
 

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I don't see the point of Beerus still being stronger. He doesn't even do anything. If this shit continues I'm going to assume Beerus was surpassed ages ago and Goku and Vegeta just don't know yet.
 

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I don't see the point of Beerus still being stronger. He doesn't even do anything. If this shit continues I'm going to assume Beerus was surpassed ages ago and Goku and Vegeta just don't know yet.
I kind of agree with SSJ2, since they have done it before. What I'm curious about is Zeno. He was stated to be the undisputed deity of the omniverse, and I cannot see how Goku or Vegeta or a villain could reach that level.
 

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I kind of agree with SSJ2, since they have done it before. What I'm curious about is Zeno. He was stated to be the undisputed deity of the omniverse, and I cannot see how Goku or Vegeta or a villain could reach that level.

Yeah they're going, but I'd rather be in denial and say they're stronger.

I've always been curious about Zeno too. Even Whis. They're Gods with a Big G. Goku being stronger than god (Not wimpy guys like Kami or Shin who just watch and complain about being weak, but the actual god) is so weird.
 

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Yeah they're going, but I'd rather be in denial and say they're stronger.

I've always been curious about Zeno too. Even Whis. They're Gods with a Big G. Goku being stronger than god (Not wimpy guys like Kami or Shin who just watch and complain about being weak, but the actual god) is so weird.
I've always hated Zeno because one) he's a shitty and stupid character two) it puts a ceiling on power three) it makes it all less ambiguous since you know that any character can be wiped out instantly on the whim of one person.

I hope some villain manages to kill him.
 

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I hope some villain manages to kill him.
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Can Zeno even be hurt?

Otherwise something like L and Light teaming up and convincing Zeno to erase himself is the only way to punt (get it...helmetball head) it out of existence. Not sure how though...can Zeno even feel sad? Can't get Hey Arnold to do some heinous crimes, film them with a grainy camera and then convince Zeno it was Zeno to make him erase himself (tbh I'd feel bad...then remember it erased whole universes...although is it that bad to erase them, if they don't even know about it so didn't suffer in the process? I guess they lost their opportunity to live). Maybe they can convince it to erase itself by lying and saying something really fun happens only if the head of the universe is erased and lie that it can be undone...but if the plan fucks up and it just comes back after a week or something and nothing fun happened then someone's getting erased, so gotta plan something fun just in case, but idk what. Ninja Murasaki slapstick routine? Have Vegeta and Whis learn to do this:
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wonder who made this all those years ago. Some unknown legend.
 

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Can Zeno even be hurt?

Otherwise something like L and Light teaming up and convincing Zeno to erase himself is the only way to punt (get it...helmetball head) it out of existence. Not sure how though...can Zeno even feel sad? Can't get Hey Arnold to do some heinous crimes, film them with a grainy camera and then convince Zeno it was Zeno to make him erase himself (tbh I'd feel bad...then remember it erased whole universes...although is it that bad to erase them, if they don't even know about it so didn't suffer in the process? I guess they lost their opportunity to live). Maybe they can convince it to erase itself by lying and saying something really fun happens only if the head of the universe is erased and lie that it can be undone...but if the plan fucks up and it just comes back after a week or something and nothing fun happened then someone's getting erased, so gotta plan something fun just in case, but idk what. Ninja Murasaki slapstick routine? Have Vegeta and Whis learn to do this:
vegeta-dance.gif
wonder who made this all those years ago. Some unknown legend.
In my head canon someone trying to hurt Zeno would get fucked up like Guts when he tried to hit Femto.
 
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