power level list with a 10x SSJ multiplier

[ahill1]

I'll make Namek SSJ Goku 150,000,000 just for simplicity's sake

Mecha Freeza saga

King Cold 80,000,000

Mecha Freeza (suppressed) 80,000,000
~full power 155,000,000

Trunks 4,000,000
~SSJ 200,000,000

Son Goku 4,400,000
~SSJ 220,000,000

Androids saga - now with 10x multiplier

Android #19 170,000,000
~post absorptions 210,000,000

Android #20 190,000,000
~post absorptions 225,000,000

Piccolo (suppressed) 26,000,000
~full power 260,000,000

Trunks 30,000,000
~SSJ 300,000,000

Son Goku 33,000,000
~SSJ 330,000,000

Vegeta 34,000,000
~SSJ 340,000,000

Imperfect Cell 375,000,000

Android #18 450,000,000

Android #17 500,000,000

Kamiccolo (weighted) 450,000,000
~full power 500,000,000

Imperfect Cell (post humans) 800,000,000

Android #16 800,000,000

Semi Cell (initial) 1,200,000,000
~full power 1,400,000,000

Vegeta (post RoSaT) 120,000,000
~SSJ 1,200,000,000
~SSJG2 1,800,000,000

Trunks (post RoSaT) 112,500,000
~SSJ 1,125,000,000
~SSJG2 1,700,000,000
~SSJG3 3,200,000,000

Perfect Cell (initial) 1,600,000,000
~tooling veggie 2,700,000,000

Son Goku (post RoSaT) 500,000,000
~SSJ [50%] 2,500,000,000


Cell Games

Android #16 800,000,000

Piccolo 2,800,000,000

Trunks 320,000,000
~SSJ 3,200,000,000

Vegeta 330,000,000
~SSJ 3,300,000,000

Cell Junior 3,500,000,000

Son Goku FPSSJ 5,000,000,000

Perfect Cell (warming up) 2,700,000,000
~vs goku 5,500,000,000
~vs gohan [real speed] 6,600,000,000
~full power 10,000,000,000
~Zenkai 16,000,000,000

Son Gohan 700,000,000
~SSJ 7,000,000,000
~SSJ2 17,500,000,000


Boo saga

Pui Pui 300,000,000

Android #18 450,000,000

Yakon 800,000,000

Piccolo 3,000,000,000

Son Goten 440,000,000
~SSJ 4,400,000,000

Chibi Trunks 460,000,000
~SSJ 4,600,000,000

Kaioshin 4,250,000,000

Dabura 5,500,000,000

Son Gohan 530,000,000
~SSJ 5,300,000,000
~SSJ2 13,250,000,000

Vegeta 640,000,000
~SSJ 6,400,000,000
~SSJ2 16,000,000,000

Majin Vegeta SSJ2 20,000,000,000

Son Goku 800,000,000
~SSJ (suppressed, vs yakon) 3,000,000,000
~SSJFP 8,000,000,000
~SSJ2 20,000,000,000
~SSJ3 80,000,000,000

Gotenks (pre RoSaT) 9,000,000,000
~SSJ 90,000,000,000

Gotenks (post RoSaT) 150,000,000,000
~SSJ 1,500,000,000,000
~SSJ2 3,000,000,000,000
~SSJ3 12,000,000,000,000

Fat Boo 68,000,000,000

Good Boo 27,000,000,000

Gray Boo 41,000,000,000

Super Boo 12,000,000,000,000
~+Gotenks 24,000,000,000,000
~+Gohan 30,000,000,000,000

Buff Boo 15,000,000,000,000

Kid Boo 78,000,000,000

Vegetto 6,000,000,000,000
~SSJ 60,000,000,000,000

 

[SSJ2]

Android 20 pre should be higher, no? He can beat weakened Vegeta who was still above 19 post.

 

[ahill1]

I think 19 weakened a good deal from Vegeta's beating, so much so that even after absorbing Vegeta's power he was still weaker than his post Goku self. It's not much of a stretch imo, considering #20 said if Goku kept pummeling 19, he would run out of energy and Vegeta's beating seems to affect him a lot more.

 

[SSJ2]

True, I forgot he got drained from Goku's attacks, let alone Bejita's.

 

[p123]

This looks pretty damn awesome considering it's a 10x boost list. They always feel much better don't they? Unfortunately, I've never been able to keep Mastered Super Saiyans less than 50x stronger than the Androids. There are some huge power gaps, so I think it's actually needed. I glossed over it, but I think you are probably nerfing a lot of shit in there.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Why did you give Gotenks a different SSJ2 multiplier from the others?

 

[ahill1]

This looks pretty damn awesome considering it's a 10x boost list. They always feel much better don't they? Unfortunately, I've never been able to keep Mastered Super Saiyans less than 50x stronger than the Androids. There are some huge power gaps, so I think it's actually needed. I glossed over it, but I think you are probably nerfing a lot of shit in there.

Yeah, I am really liking making the SSJ a 10x multiplier now. I feel it's also closer to what AT felt. The problem was making Goku FPSSJ at the Cell Games only 10x the androids, so maybe I made the gaps a bit less than what I in reality felt they were. Pretty much, in all major stomps (Piccolo vs post humans Cell, #16 vs Semi Cell, Vegeta ssjg2 vs warm up Cell) I gave a 1.5x gap, which is like Goku vs Ginyus. In fights that don't seem that much of a stomp I went with a ~1.3x gap or so. Doesn't feel too bad, does it?

@Withheldforprivacy - eh, I did this to not bloat things too much, not that 1.25x would make much difference but still

 

[p123]

I do the same. Yet I can't get Buu Saga Super Saiyans less than 50x the Androids. I wonder what you are nerfing. Shouldn't be a 40x difference between ours.

 

[ahill1]

I do the same. Yet I can't get Buu Saga Super Saiyans less than 50x the Androids. I wonder what you are nerfing. Shouldn't be a 40x difference between ours.

Look at my list then. I feel a 1.5x gap can represent some stomp gaps really fine. But I'm probably a bit off with the gaps considering some tanks feats. I have:

FP Perfect Cell at 60% of kid Gohan SSJ2
#16 at 66% of initial Semi Cell

That doesn't feel right. Semi Cell's tank feat seems to be on another level, whereas FP Cell could move Gohan quite a bit.

 

[p123]

How big of a gap for 19Post and Vegeta?

 

[ahill1]

post absorptions #19 : 210,000,000
Vegeta SSJ : 340,000,000

Also doesn't feel right considering Vegeta's tanks wasn't all that impressive, but with the implications of Vegeta >> Piccolo >> #20 post >> #19 post, what else can I do?

 

[ahill1]

@p123, what do you think of:

Cell initial power = his old power + android? It's just valid, of course, to his initial power, then he can power up more on top of it.

So initial Semi Cell = Imperfect Cell + #17
Initial Perfect Cell = FP Semi Cell + #18

Android #18 450,000,000
Android #17 500,000,000
Android #16 800,000,000
Imperfect Cell 800,000,000
Semi Cell (initial) 1,300,000,000
~full power 1,600,000,000
Perfect Cell (initial) 2,050,000,000
Vegeta SSJG2 2,200,000,000

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Ahill, i've got another idea. How about a list where the SSJ boost begins at 50x, decreases as one masters the form and
is finally reduced to 4x at Buu Saga. Think of it. 4x offers many advantages at Buu Saga...
1. If you want to go with Daiz 4x for SSJ3, then, considering Base Gotenks is a little stronger than SSJ2s and SSJ Gotenks
is a little stronger than SSJ3, then SSJ must have the same boost as SSJ3 (4x).
2. It allows you to play with the 3000/800 kiri ratio (Goku's base becomes 3000/4=750, which is close to Yakon).
3. It makes it easier for Base Saiyans to be above Piccolo.

 

[ahill1]

Ahill, i've got another idea. How about a list where the SSJ boost begins at 50x, decreases as one masters the form and
is finally reduced to 4x at Buu Saga. Think of it. 4x offers many advantages at Buu Saga...

That could be a good idea. The SSJ feels better being 10x at the Androids saga, but the Boo saga SSJs being only 10x above #18 might feel a little tight. So it begins as 50x, decreases to 10x and increases again to 50x, right?

1. If you want to go with Daiz 4x for SSJ3, then, considering Base Gotenks is a little stronger than SSJ2s and SSJ Gotenks
is a little stronger than SSJ3, then SSJ must have the same boost as SSJ3 (4x).

Well, I honestly can work with base Gotenks being about as strong as SSJ Goku just fine, I don't honestly think he should be SSJ2. Gotenks' confidence was clearly an exaggeration according to Piccolo and Kuririns' confidence seemed to be basing upon Gotenks' confidence.

2. It allows you to play with the 3000/800 kiri ratio (Goku's base becomes 3000/4=750, which is close to Yakon).

But if Goku were at full power I don't see how Dabura was so confident upon reading his 3000 power, considering he struggled against a weaker SSJ. I'd like, however, to have FP Goku at like 5,000 Kiri or at most 6,000 Kiri, considering he showed up an aura, which could be an indication that he was't too far of his full power.

3. It makes it easier for Base Saiyans to be above Piccolo.

Agreed, but if I choose to go with base > Piccolo, then I would lessen the SSJ multiplier even more, since I think Piccolo was > 50% FPSSJ Goku and this latter didn't improve too much considering he still seems to not be THAT stronger than Cell Games Gohan.

 

[p123]

I think it's pointless. Buu Saga Toriyama is a clown. Can you imagine Goku and Gohan falling out of Super Saiyan and destroying the Cell Juniors in base? It's just not happening. Don't even waster your time. The Cell Junior was whoopin his ass as a tired MSSJ, he has no chance in base. Cell Junior whoops Initial MSSJ Goku in the warm up easily, forget about base!

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Why do you guys think tanking feats are better than one shot feats?

 

[p123]

No reliability in one shot feats. It's random. Tanking feats all seem to work together properly.