Prime Kami VS Piccolo (23rd TB)

[Keedounan]

I don't know if it has been brought up before, but here it is.

It's been said that Kami has neglected his training, plus, he should have been at least as old (physically speaking) as Piccolo Daimao, resulting in the Old Kami that Goku met at the end of Daimao's arc. However, he was still more than capable of one-shotting post-Holy Water Goku, making him way above Piccolo Daimao even at his prime. Also, it seems that Piccolo (23rd TB) would have considered him to be a threat (or at least, more of a threat) if he kept training.

Chapter: 182, P9.5
Piccolo: “Truly Son Goku is nothing but an obstacle for me…Far more so than God, who neglected his training.”

Judging by Kami's power, and the boost Daimao got from recovering his youth, how do you think he would have performed against Piccolo from back then ? Could he beat him ? Or at least put up a fight ?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I think it probably has to do more with Kami likely having been able to reach Piccolo's level if he continued training, rather than being at such a level and losing power with age. The fact his aged self is still leagues above Daimao in his prime is an indicator and he never brought up his old age as a reason Majunior was far above him.

 

[Keedounan]

I think it probably has to do more with Kami likely having been able to reach Piccolo's level if he continued training, rather than being at such a level and losing power with age. The fact his aged self is still leagues above Daimao in his prime and he never brought up his old age as a reason Majunior was far above him.

Figured. I guess he would have just tried to gather the Dragon Balls to restore his youth and pick up his training where he left it if he thought it would have helped, instead of relying on Goku.

 

[ahill1]

We have a statement that Kamiccolo's power was divided into two by the Saichiro in the Freeza arc, which would imply young Kami = Piccolo Daimao (right after being expelled). Piccolo Daimao ragained his youth, and still was way weaker than Kami-sama as per the finger flick shown in the manga. So are we to assume that Kami, immediately after expelling Piccolo Daimao, was as strong as the Piccolo Daimao who fought and was killed by Goku?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

That's what I would conclude. Only way to really make sense of the Piccolo Daimao = Kami implication, plus Kami had centuries in which to train.

 

[ahill1]

That's what I would conclude. Only way to really make sense of the Piccolo Daimao = Kami implication, plus Kami had centuries in which to train.

Yeah, but that seems strange with Piccolo's statement of Kami being lazy and not training like he should... going by Piccolo's statement alone, it seems that Kami wasn''t a powerhouse like his young self, dunno. But then that would lead to the aforementioned problems, in which the original Kami's power was divided into two, leading to Kami = Prime Piccolo...

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Yeah, but that seems strange with Piccolo's statement of Kami being lazy and not training like he should... going by Piccolo's statement alone, it seems that Kami wasn''t a powerhouse like his young self, dunno. But then that would lead to the aforementioned problems, in which the original Kami's power was divided into two, leading to Kami = Prime Piccolo...

I think it has more to do with Piccolo and Kami being two sides of the same coin and that Kami should've been his equal had he applied himself with the same ambition as his evil counterpart's reincarnation.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, but that seems strange with Piccolo's statement of Kami being lazy and not training like he should... going by Piccolo's statement alone, it seems that Kami wasn''t a powerhouse like his young self, dunno. But then that would lead to the aforementioned problems, in which the original Kami's power was divided into two, leading to Kami = Prime Piccolo...

I think it has more to do with Piccolo and Kami being two sides of the same coin and that Kami should've been his equal had he applied himself with the same ambition as his evil counterpart's reincarnation.

Sure, but would Piccolo Junior even regard Kami-sama as a lazy mofo did this latter train enough to finger fick his old power?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Sure, but would Piccolo Junior even regard Kami-sama as a lazy mofo did this latter train enough to finger fick his old power?

If I gained more power in 3 years than Kami did in 3 centuries, I'd consider him a slacker too.

 

[ahill1]

Sure, but would Piccolo Junior even regard Kami-sama as a lazy mofo did this latter train enough to finger fick his old power?

If I gained more power in 3 years than Kami did in 3 centuries, I'd consider him a slacker too.

That's a nice way of putting it. I agree with you then. Many ppl think the original Kami (before split) is really strong since the Saichoro said he might not have had to die if he became one again, which diverges with the original Kami = Piccolo Daimao x2, putting him still at most at 23rd Budokai Piccolo's level (going by the scouter numbers). But since Saichoro said "if he came back as one", we can assume that the Kamiccolo in this case would be stronger than him formely was due to Piccolo's gains, much like it happened in the androids saga, right? Therein it not being by itself an indication that Kami pre split was that strong, do you agree?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Nameless Namek- 3000
Prime Kami- 1500
Piccolo Jr- 500

Kami slaughters.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

That's what I would conclude. Only way to really make sense of the Piccolo Daimao = Kami implication, plus Kami had centuries in which to train.

Do you think it could be the case that Daimao was weakened from doing jack at the jar instead of Kami being weakened?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Considering he never contradicted his assessment that eternal youth would restore his prime power, I'd say not.

 

[ahill1]

It's also somewhat doubtful Piccolo wouldn't mention not being as powerful as he formely was if his self that fought Mutaito were actually that stronger. Although that could explain the filler scene in which Mutaito appears to be stronger than Goku lol.