Proof that present androids=future androids

[KyuubiAhri]

Most people have F.17 and 18 on par with Goku and Vegeta but...
Gingertown cell thinks that hes still to weak to overpower and absorb the androids and he is stronger than Vegeta by at least a noticeable margin.Cell thinks that Present=future and even after absorbing piccolos arm he needs more humans to absorb.
This is the solid proof that Present androids are equal to Future ones

 

[Jerk Store]

Only solid proof that DB isn't consistent... Something I've known for years.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

But Cell can't sense the Androids so he doesn't know how strong they are.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

He has data on the Androids. Remember when Future Cell said the spy robots calculated that he was too weak to handle #17 and #18?

 

[Six Trails]

Maybe he just thinks that he can't overpower them together. That doesn't have to mean that he is weaker than both individually.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I think AT had forgotten that statement about Present>Future, which he hadn't given much thought to in the first place.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Maybe he just thinks that he can't overpower them together. That doesn't have to mean that he is weaker than both individually.

I don't think #16 would've left Cell out of the "rivals the two of you" if Cell was at least as strong as them.

 

[Six Trails]

Maybe he just thinks that he can't overpower them together. That doesn't have to mean that he is weaker than both individually.

I don't think #16 would've left Cell out of the "rivals the two of you" if Cell was at least as strong as them.

I don't think that Cell is as strong as the Present Androids, I was referring to the Future Androids in my post.

 

[Animelover5487]

Ginger Town Cell could be slightly under Future #17, I personally prefer them to be equals but even so #17 has infinite energy and a partner to back him up so Cell probably wanted to make sure he was much higher than them before taking them on.

 

[p123]

Very good issue to bring up.

Cell is from a timeline where the androids most likely were deactivated by Trunks. That timeline is the timeline created by Trunks coming back in time.

So, basically our best bet is that Trunks gets the plans from Past Bulma, brings them to future Bulma and future Bulma creates a device to deactivate the Androids.

Is there any real reason for these Androids to be different than the Future Androids? I'd say no, there is nothing different in them. The Present Androids could possibly be different, but Cell's data wouldn't be able to reflect that would it? I'd say it's possible, considering that 16 can read 17 and 18's power, but it would be weird for Cell not to acknowledge it as a surprise.

Ginger Town Cell should be way above our guess on Future 17, that's Weighted Kamiccolo level, which is well above Vegeta and Trunks level, who could fight decently against the two of them.

 

[sei'taer]

Seems to me the consensus of the future androids power compared to goku and vegeta can easily be wrong.

 

[p123]

Yes, I would take Cell's word over Trunks word any day on this matter. If anything, it means they have just been holding back on Trunks all this time. And it also suggests, the Present Androids aren't so much stronger than the Mecha Saga Super Saiyans as we thought. Which will make the nerfers happy.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Maybe he just thinks that he can't overpower them together. That doesn't have to mean that he is weaker than both individually.

I don't think #16 would've left Cell out of the "rivals the two of you" if Cell was at least as strong as them.

I don't think that Cell is as strong as the Present Androids, I was referring to the Future Androids in my post.

Oh, okay. I still think it'd be odd for Cell to yell out he's surpassed the power of the Androids if he was already above one of them in his mind. Cell went looking for the Androids after being released in the future, but decided to hide and absorb energy in the past. Here are a few possibilities:

1) Cell's data on the Androids was altered to reflect the Present Androids' greater power.

2) Regressing to his larvae stage made him much weaker.

3. The Androids are the same in both timelines.

Trunks said the Present Androids were stronger, but he also went from being no match for the Future Androids' stupendous power to being able to put up a fight against them. His quotes are shaky.

 

[p123]

1) I don't really find this likely without Cell making a note of it.

2) I do think that the Cell Trunks beat is more likely his natural power, while the Cell Piccolo fought initially, was much weaker. Cell had just emerged and wasn't fully developed yet. Cell even goes on to say that he absorbed too much power, wasn't really necessary for him.

3) I think this seems likely based on Cell's pov.

I think Trunks quotes are shaky considering Cell's thoughts.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Yeah, Cell does seem more precise than Trunks. Cell said he realized the Androids in his timeline were gone after he was activated, and came to the conclusion that Trunks must've stopped them. Future Cell still talks about the Androids as if they're roaming around, so I doubt he went looking for them. Makes me wonder why he went directly for Trunks? The time machine was the only alternative for Cell because #17 and #18 were gone, but Future Cell didn't have the same issue. You'd think he would've went after the Androids first since he thought Trunks was nothing to them or himself. I dunno.