SAIYAN RASENSHURIKEN

[VampireWicked]

Under the assumption they have enough time & the Rasenshuriken technique was explained.
Could Goku, Vegeta, Gotenks, Goten, Trunks, FutureTrunks, duplicate Naruto's Rasenshuriken perfectly ?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Yes

 

[Papasmurf]

Probably. Naruto is garbage, so anything he can do, other people can do better

 

[VampireWicked]

Yes

Wow i just created the thread lol.
You guys here respond ALOT better than that other forum i'm on.

 

[Pocket-God]

I could definitely see Pikkon doing something like that, seeing as he has element powers or something like that.

 

[Tapion]

Gotenks masters it before anyone else can even blink. If he can learn how to go SSJ3 in 2 weeks and fully master it to the point where he has absolutely no strain in the same timespan, then he can learn and master this technique in a matter of minutes.

About everyone else; i say they master it in a few days, give or take.

 

[VampireWicked]

Gotenks masters it before anyone else can even blink. If he can learn how to go SSJ3 in 2 weeks and fully master it to the point where he has absolutely no strain in the same timespan, then he can learn and master this technique in a matter of minutes.

About everyone else; i say they master it in a few days, give or take.

He didn't master SuperSaiyan 3, it reduced the fusion time down from 30minutes to only 5.

Learning how to go SuperSaiyan 3 after an explanation on how & learning that there is a SuperSaiyan 3 transformation even exists & it's possible to achieve are two totally different things.
lol.

But having the Rasenshuriken explained i think Goten & Trunks could do it separately too.
SuperSaiyan 3 Gotenks would do it with Ghosts lol.

 

[Tapion]

Gotenks masters it before anyone else can even blink. If he can learn how to go SSJ3 in 2 weeks and fully master it to the point where he has absolutely no strain in the same timespan, then he can learn and master this technique in a matter of minutes.

About everyone else; i say they master it in a few days, give or take.

He didn't master SuperSaiyan 3, it reduced the fusion time down from 30minutes to only 5.

Learning how to go SuperSaiyan 3 after an explanation on how & learning that there is a SuperSaiyan 3 transformation even exists & it's possible to achieve are two totally different things.
lol.

But having the Rasenshuriken explained i think Goten & Trunks could do it separately too.
SuperSaiyan 3 Gotenks would do it with Ghosts lol.

Gotenks did master SSJ3. The fusion time being cut to 5 minutes is not something that could be helped at all, since the form generates too much power for the Fusion Dance. Gotenks has shown absolutely no strain while handling SSJ3 - whereas Goku almost died by transforming against Kid Boo.

All Gotenks knew about the SSJ3 form was "well, there is a SSJ3 form" that's all. Goku didn't explain how to go SSJ3 to anyone. And yet Gotenks learned how to do it and mastered it, all in 2 weeks.

 

[VampireWicked]

Gotenks did master SSJ3. The fusion time being cut to 5 minutes is not something that could be helped at all, since the form generates too much power for the Fusion Dance.

That's the strain of SuperSaiyan 3, that's not mastery.
Mastery the fusion time would not be effected at all.

1. If Gotenks mastered SuperSaiyan 3 then the fusion time would not've been shorten.

2. Goku fighting KidBuu as a SuperSaiyan 3 was longer than Gotenks SuperSaiyan 3 fusion time.

3. With Gotenks fusion it's counting two people just to go SuperSaiyan 3 anyway.
Two participants to fuse just to reach SuperSaiyan 3 which only lasts for 5minutes anyway.

All Gotenks knew about the SSJ3 form was "well, there is a SSJ3 form" that's all. Goku didn't explain how to go SSJ3 to anyone. And yet Gotenks learned how to do it and mastered it, all in 2 weeks.

If it wasn't for Goku they wouldn't know it even existed.

 

[Tapion]

That's the strain of SuperSaiyan 3, that's not mastery.
Mastery the fusion time would not be effected at all.

Baseless assumption

1. If Gotenks mastered SuperSaiyan 3 then the fusion time would not've been shorten.

Baseless assumption². Trunks even said in the manga that the power of SSJ3 was the reason for why the fusion was undone in 5 minutes IIRC.

2. Goku fighting KidBuu as a SuperSaiyan 3 was longer than Gotenks SuperSaiyan 3 fusion time.

Not even close. Gotenks fought Super Boo for much longer than Goku fought Kid Boo.

3. With Gotenks fusion it's counting two people just to go SuperSaiyan 3 anyway.

This seems like an attempt to lowball Gotenks's feat.

 

[VampireWicked]

@HUEBR_Tapion
lol
1. You just admitted SuperSaiyan 3 generates too much power to maintain Dance Fusion.

2. It's not baseless when the Gotenks cannot manage the energy consumption to hold Fusion the normal limit while SuperSaiyan 3.

examples of Mastery & Not mastering a transformation:

A. Mastery was Goku/TeenGohan holding SuperSaiyan like it was a normal state.

B. Not mastering a transformation's energy consumption is 100% Frieza/Golden Frieza diminishing stamina.

When the transformation cuts the usage time down or stamina/strength drops, that is NOT Mastery.

SuperSaiyan 3 Gotenks falls in category B.

 

[Tapion]

@HUEBR_Tapion
lol
1. You just admitted SuperSaiyan 3 generates too much power to maintain Dance Fusion.

2. It's not baseless when the Gotenks cannot manage the energy consumption to hold Fusion the normal limit while SuperSaiyan 3.

examples of Mastery & Not mastering a transformation:

A. Mastery was Goku/TeenGohan holding SuperSaiyan like it was a normal state.

B. Not mastering a transformation's energy consumption is 100% Frieza/Golden Frieza diminishing stamina.

When the transformation cuts the usage time down or stamina/strength drops, that is NOT Mastery.

SuperSaiyan 3 Gotenks falls in category B.

He doesn't fall in category B because his strength\stamina doesn't drop at all while using the SSJ3 form. It's a child's plaything to him. Gotenks doesn't consume any, absolutely any energy while using SSJ3, whereas Goku does.
The 5-minute drawback can't be helped. It's because the form, SSJ3, generates too much energy to maintain the Fusion Dance. Do you think that Gogeta, for instance, could maintain SSJ3 for more than 5 minutes, even if he trained? The anwer is no

 

[VampireWicked]

@HUEBR_Tapion
lol
1. You just admitted SuperSaiyan 3 generates too much power to maintain Dance Fusion.

2. It's not baseless when the Gotenks cannot manage the energy consumption to hold Fusion the normal limit while SuperSaiyan 3.

examples of Mastery & Not mastering a transformation:

A. Mastery was Goku/TeenGohan holding SuperSaiyan like it was a normal state.

B. Not mastering a transformation's energy consumption is 100% Frieza/Golden Frieza diminishing stamina.

When the transformation cuts the usage time down or stamina/strength drops, that is NOT Mastery.

SuperSaiyan 3 Gotenks falls in category B.

He doesn't fall in category B because his strength\stamina doesn't drop at all while using the SSJ3 form. It's a child's plaything to him. Gotenks doesn't consume any, absolutely any energy while using SSJ3, whereas Goku does.
The 5-minute drawback can't be helped. It's because the form, SSJ3, generates too much energy to maintain the Fusion Dance. Do you think that Gogeta, for instance, could maintain SSJ3 for more than 5 minutes, even if he trained? The anwer is no

You keep saying exactly why Gotenks has NOT mastered SuperSaiyan 3.
Gogeta couldn't because he didn't master SuperSaiyan 3 at the time.

That's the whole point of mastering a transformation, management of the abilities & energy consumption.

If the transformation draws too much energy to maintain the transformation or hold a fusion the normal time length, then it's NOT mastered.

 

[Tapion]

@HUEBR_Tapion
lol
1. You just admitted SuperSaiyan 3 generates too much power to maintain Dance Fusion.

2. It's not baseless when the Gotenks cannot manage the energy consumption to hold Fusion the normal limit while SuperSaiyan 3.

examples of Mastery & Not mastering a transformation:

A. Mastery was Goku/TeenGohan holding SuperSaiyan like it was a normal state.

B. Not mastering a transformation's energy consumption is 100% Frieza/Golden Frieza diminishing stamina.

When the transformation cuts the usage time down or stamina/strength drops, that is NOT Mastery.

SuperSaiyan 3 Gotenks falls in category B.

He doesn't fall in category B because his strength\stamina doesn't drop at all while using the SSJ3 form. It's a child's plaything to him. Gotenks doesn't consume any, absolutely any energy while using SSJ3, whereas Goku does.
The 5-minute drawback can't be helped. It's because the form, SSJ3, generates too much energy to maintain the Fusion Dance. Do you think that Gogeta, for instance, could maintain SSJ3 for more than 5 minutes, even if he trained? The anwer is no

You keep saying exactly why Gotenks has NOT mastered SuperSaiyan 3.
Gogeta couldn't because he didn't master SuperSaiyan 3 at the time.

That's the whole point of mastering a transformation, management of the abilities & energy consumption.

If the transformation draws too much energy to maintain the transformation or hold a fusion the normal time length, then it's NOT mastered.

I'm telling you that it is because of the nature of SSJ3 that the fusion time was cut to 5 minutes, not because Gotenks hasn't mastered it. Goku explains that SSJ3 is too powerful for the living world to handle, so that's why Gotenks can only use it for 5 minutes in the living world. If he were in the afterlife, he could probably use it as much as he wanted, because he mastered it.

Also, why do you keep repeating that the transformation drains energy? Gotenks never lost ANY energy while using the form. Actually, when Gotenks defuses after his fusion comes undone, both Goten and Trunks look completely fine.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Gotenks masters it before anyone else can even blink. If he can learn how to go SSJ3 in 2 weeks and fully master it to the point where he has absolutely no strain in the same timespan, then he can learn and master this technique in a matter of minutes.

About everyone else; i say they master it in a few days, give or take.

He didn't master SuperSaiyan 3, it reduced the fusion time down from 30minutes to only 5.

Learning how to go SuperSaiyan 3 after an explanation on how & learning that there is a SuperSaiyan 3 transformation even exists & it's possible to achieve are two totally different things.
lol.

But having the Rasenshuriken explained i think Goten & Trunks could do it separately too.
SuperSaiyan 3 Gotenks would do it with Ghosts lol.

Gotenks did master SSJ3. The fusion time being cut to 5 minutes is not something that could be helped at all, since the form generates too much power for the Fusion Dance. Gotenks has shown absolutely no strain while handling SSJ3 - whereas Goku almost died by transforming against Kid Boo.

All Gotenks knew about the SSJ3 form was "well, there is a SSJ3 form" that's all. Goku didn't explain how to go SSJ3 to anyone. And yet Gotenks learned how to do it and mastered it, all in 2 weeks.

Because he's not use to it in his living body. He probably mastered it in Super.

 

[VampireWicked]

He doesn't fall in category B because his strength\stamina doesn't drop at all while using the SSJ3 form. It's a child's plaything to him. Gotenks doesn't consume any, absolutely any energy while using SSJ3, whereas Goku does.
The 5-minute drawback can't be helped. It's because the form, SSJ3, generates too much energy to maintain the Fusion Dance. Do you think that Gogeta, for instance, could maintain SSJ3 for more than 5 minutes, even if he trained? The anwer is no

You keep saying exactly why Gotenks has NOT mastered SuperSaiyan 3.
Gogeta couldn't because he didn't master SuperSaiyan 3 at the time.

That's the whole point of mastering a transformation, management of the abilities & energy consumption.

If the transformation draws too much energy to maintain the transformation or hold a fusion the normal time length, then it's NOT mastered.

I'm telling you that it is because of the nature of SSJ3 that the fusion time was cut to 5 minutes, not because Gotenks hasn't mastered it. Goku explains that SSJ3 is too powerful for the living world to handle, so that's why Gotenks can only use it for 5 minutes in the living world. If he were in the afterlife, he could probably use it as much as he wanted, because he mastered it.

Also, why do you keep repeating that the transformation drains energy? Gotenks never lost ANY energy while using the form. Actually, when Gotenks defuses after his fusion comes undone, both Goten and Trunks look completely fine.

Consumption is consumption.
Doesn't matter if Gotenks showed it or not the resulting shorten fusion time is evidence.

 

[VampireWicked]

Super Saiyan 3 - As an SSJ3, Gotenks continues to grow in size, especially in terms of muscle mass. He also losses his eyebrows, as does Goku during this stage, and his hair grows all the way down his back to his feet. A golden electric aura is also visible during this level. SSJ3 Gotenks is able to stand up against Super Buu and is most likely more powerful, but the fusion time is cut in half during the transformation as the strain on the body is too much.


http://dragonball.neoseeker.com/wiki/Gotenks

 

[Tapion]

You're using a fan wiki as evidence?

 

[VampireWicked]

You're using a fan wiki as evidence?

No i'm using the opinion of fans whose seen DragonBall Z & agree on the same thing.