SEG's SSjin2 multiplier.

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Why do you guys (PL Purists) would love to ignored SSjin2's multiplier but accept the SSjin and SSjin3 multipliers? Because it doesn't make sense according to "your" gaps?

 

[Jeff Styles]

Because of the Cell Games and I stop using the SSJ 50x multiplier in the Boo Arc.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

What's wrong with the Cell Games?

SSjin2 Kid Gohan >= SPC > Full Power Weighted Cell > FP Cell > Supressed Cell > SSjin Kid Gohan

So Gohan getting 2x stronger than that is not enough to cover that gap? But we have to remember that his true potential is the major reason why he covered that gap as well.

 

[Papasmurf]

It's definitely not 2x in the Cell Games since Gohan with less than half of his ki still managed to hold out for a bit against SPC's Kamehameha. But since there are much bigger contradictions in modern Toriyama's BS I accept the 2x multiplier more or less

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Can't we just say that Cell was holding back against Gohan?

 

[Jeff Styles]

What's wrong with the Cell Games?

SSjin2 Kid Gohan >= SPC > Full Power Weighted Cell > FP Cell > Supressed Cell > SSjin Kid Gohan

So Gohan getting 2x stronger than that is not enough to cover that gap? But we have to remember that his true potential is the major reason why he covered that gap as well.

Not when the Z Warriors were shock at how much power Cell held back. Also, if my memory serves me right, Gohan tank FP Cell's punch and punch him about twice and Cell wonder why he took so much damage from those two shots.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Like I said Gohan's true power was the major reason why his power isn't just a normal SSjin2.

 

[Jeff Styles]

You mean his rage boost? I was under the impression his SSJ2 was his rage boost.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Well both Goku and Vegeta made a distinction between SSjin2 and Gohan's rage boost aka his true power.

 

[Jeff Styles]

But that was in the Boo Arc... he transform without being mad.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

That's what I said. One of things that I still wonder is that Toriyama pulled SSjin2 out of nowhere along with SSjin3 in the Boo arc. We all know that the Ascended SSjin was meant to be the wall of SSjin but that was a failure.

 

[Papasmurf]

Can't we just say that Cell was holding back against Gohan?

I mean, Cell still generated enough ki when he charged the attack to blow up the solar system which he couldn't do pre-zenkai, so I highly doubt SSJ1 Gohan could've held out against him even if he held back.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Can't we just say that Cell was holding back against Gohan?

I mean, Cell still generated enough ki when he charged the attack to blow up the solar system which he couldn't do pre-zenkai, so I highly doubt SSJ1 Gohan could've held out against him even if he held back.

Well its not like Half ki Gohan ~ SSjin Gohan since Half Ki Gohan is still that enrage Gohan if you know what I mean.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

SSJ2 Gohan is at least 2x FP Perfect Cell. So, considering SSJ Gohan is weaker than FP Perfect Cell,
SSJ2 has to be above 2x.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

SSJ2 Gohan is at least 2x FP Perfect Cell. So, considering SSJ Gohan is weaker than FP Perfect Cell,
SSJ2 has to be above 2x.

Gohan has a rage boost at the top of it.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

SSJ2 Gohan is at least 2x FP Perfect Cell. So, considering SSJ Gohan is weaker than FP Perfect Cell,
SSJ2 has to be above 2x.

Gohan has a rage boost at the top of it.

There is no rage boost on the top of SSJ2.

 

[ahill1]

It's definitely not 2x in the Cell Games since Gohan with less than half of his ki still managed to hold out for a bit against SPC's Kamehameha. But since there are much bigger contradictions in modern Toriyama's BS I accept the 2x multiplier more or less

Well, Gohan could have recovered part of his powers after Goku's prep talk, like if his lack of confidence also had an effect on him being still less than half of his powers. Besides, Super Perfect Cell is fairly close to Gohan's true power, so I don't think someone around half of Super Perfect Cell could hold out his KMHMH for this long unless he was also massively holding back.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

SSJ2 Gohan is at least 2x FP Perfect Cell. So, considering SSJ Gohan is weaker than FP Perfect Cell,
SSJ2 has to be above 2x.

Gohan has a rage boost at the top of it.

There is no rage boost on the top of SSJ2.

Oh there is, my friend.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

It's definitely not 2x in the Cell Games since Gohan with less than half of his ki still managed to hold out for a bit against SPC's Kamehameha. But since there are much bigger contradictions in modern Toriyama's BS I accept the 2x multiplier more or less

Well, Gohan could have recovered part of his powers after Goku's prep talk, like if his lack of confidence also had an effect on him being still less than half of his powers. Besides, Super Perfect Cell is fairly close to Gohan's true power, so I don't think someone around half of Super Perfect Cell could hold out his KMHMH for this long unless he was also massively holding back.

Cell was clearly holding back with that KHH and was about to unleash his full power but Vegeta caught him off guard.

 

[SSJ2]

I think 2x is too tight. 3-4x is perfect. It's about as loose as Joseph Johns was after his night with Danny Devito.