Some hints that Fpssj gives more than 50x boost

[KyuubiAhri]

I have tried many times to create a Pl list with base saiyans<frieza.Turns out i can't and it's all thanks to the massive gap between Piccolo and Imperfect cell (post humans).He tanked attack that's at least as amplified as SBC so the gap has to be atleast 5x (i know that it sounds crazy but that's what you get).So the only way for frieza>base saiyans to work is if you just ignore all of this

But if you give Fpssj bigger increase than Ssj it can work.Fpssj gives the power of Ssj grade 2 but decreases the stamina drain and energy consumption
.The reason it doesn't Grant the power of Ssj grade 3 is because Trunks uses the form in Db super (and by this point he is already Fpssj because he can go Ssj2).

Proof:
1.Goku doesn't use Grade 2 against cell.Even though it gives massive strain on the body,it's still more effective because goku would have easily taken care of cell.
2.Cabba and vegeta are equals in base form but when they fight as a super saiyans vegeta tanks kick to the forehead without flinching

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Why not increase their base level so that FPSSj can work?

 

[KyuubiAhri]

Why not increase their base level so that FPSSj can work?

Their bases need to be below 100% frieza so i though of increasing Ssj multiplier

 

[withheldforprivacy]

There are two theories:
1. FPSSJ releases all SSJ potential, so the Grade forms no longer do you any good (like Mystic Gohan didn't need to transform to access
all his power)
2. SSJ multiplier increases by mastering the state

If you want to go with Freeza>Base, the obvious choice is 2.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Why not increase their base level so that FPSSj can work?

Their bases need to be below 100% frieza so i though of increasing Ssj multiplier

It won't work if you follow that statement.

 

[SSJ2]

FPSSJ is = to SSJ. They are the same form. The only power increase comes from the training to master the form, and it is pretty substantial according to Goku and the SEG.

 

[ahill1]

These are some interesting ideas, KyuubiAhri. The Goku-Cell example is a good point, but one could make a case of the Mastering SSJ route of training doesn't give you access to the SSJG2's power, like withheld said, but it's more or less contradicted by Trunks using the Grade 3 in Super [unless you don't consider it as canon].

 

[Papasmurf]

I don't pay any mind to that Freeza statement after 1.3 million and "Trunks is even stronger than Gohan was back then" to be honest.

 

[ahill1]

^What?

 

[Papasmurf]

 

[ahill1]

Oh, I see. Well, but that's in the manga. The manga doesn't include Goku's lower forms retaining the SSJ God power IIRC.

 

[Papasmurf]

The FnF manga drawn by Toyotaro and Toriyama still has base Goku >= 4th form training Freeza, so it's official. Not to mention SSJ1 Goku was able to keep up with manga Hit (who still downed 10% SSJB Vegeta).

 

[KyuubiAhri]

There are two theories:
1. FPSSJ releases all SSJ potential, so the Grade forms no longer do you any good (like Mystic Gohan didn't need to transform to access
all his power)
2. SSJ multiplier increases by mastering the state

If you want to go with Freeza>Base, the obvious choice is 2.

Ain't those two exactly same.1. will release all potential so you have power of Grade forms in only Ssj state. 2. will do the same

 

[Mystic b4 He Got Laid]

It could be anywhere from 1.2 to 100 depending on the plot.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

It could be anywhere from 1.2 to 100 depending on the plot.

One of the best posts ever.

 

[VampireWicked]

Why wouldn't Full Powered SuperSaiyan give a bigger boost.
Each SuperSaiyan Grade is a step up & bigger boost over the previous.
So say Goku's base remained the same but each transformation Grade is more powerful than the last.
Wouldn't that mean each Grade gave a bigger boost then the initial SuperSaiyan transformation.

The stage is characterized by giant spikey golden hair. The pupils also turn a bluish green color. The power of the character is exponentially increased. Control over this power, however, is not always the easiest thing at first. The Super Saiyan stage has an interesting effect on the Son family, in addition to its normal effects: the way their eyes are drawn changes slightly. Normally, the outline around the eye is not fully drawn (it circles around about 3/4 of the way the eyeball). When in Super Saiyan, their eyes are fully surrounded by an outline (the same way that all villains are drawn; this is due to Toriyama wanting to show the anger and hatred that must be present for a Super Saiyan transformation).



There are actually two stages within the "USSJ" stage, really just varying levels of the same exact thing.

Grade 2
In the first stage, the muscles increase in size, while power rises.

Grade 3
In the second stage, the muscles increase in size even more, the power rises even more, speed falls, and with some characters, the pupils disappear. In each of the those stages, more energy is consumed, as well. Three characters reach these stages; you'll find special information, by character, a little further down.

Super Saiyan Full Power
It also notes that Goku's aura, while his Super Saiyan power is drawn out to its limits, is "different." There is no indication that either Goku and/or Gohan have reached their "maximum power" while in this stage; in fact, that's quite an outlandish claim to make. There is always room for improvement. Goku and Gohan do indeed grow stronger with time, pushing the Super Saiyan stage to its limits time and time again.


I think the point of Full Powered SuperSaiyan was to get the best of the SuperSaiyan transformation, the best of each Grade.