South Kaioshin's strength

[ahill1]

I've noted some interesting things about his strength:

Chapter: 444 (DBZ 250), P7.1-4
Gohan: “Well, I’ve become a Super Saiyan. Now what? Is it alright if I fight like this?”
Kibito: “…Wh-what tremendous power…I can’t believe he’s a being of the lower world!”
Vegeta: “…Hmph…That bastard, he was far, far better when he killed Cell. It’s because he slacked off in his training during peacetime…”
Kaioshin: “…No, even so this is magnificent energy, more so than I imagined…I wonder if I’ll be able to stop this power…”
Goku: “…Stop it?”

Gohan's power does seem unbelievable for a being of the lower world, implying it wouldn't be too unbelievable if he belonged to another realm, implying some Kaioshins were able to put forth such power.

I also have heard that Toriyama stated the Kaioshins are in general above the Makaioshins. If that is true, then South Kaioshin (the strongest Kaioshin) should be above the Makaioshin Dabura, right?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Kaioshins begin as that strong indeed (Piccolo vs Shin), retconned to shit (Shin fearing Pocus, SSJ Teen Gohan outdoing
them at sword feats) and, finally, re-retconned to their previous strength (South Kai vs Kid Buu).

 

[SSJ2]

Where did Toriyama say that?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Where did Toriyama say that?

In a wet dream of his.

 

[Pyro]

I've always thought dude was Super Saiyan 3 tier, and the rest were around Good Boo strength.

 

[SSJ2]

I've always thought dude was Super Saiyan 3 tier, and the rest were around Good Boo strength.

Why only East Kaioshin so weak?

 

[ahill1]

Can't find right now, but pretty sure Toriyama stated Kaioshin > Makaioshin.

Also, isn't it fair to say Dai Kaioshin = Mr. Boo? I mean, when Boo released his evil portion, he'd be pretty much just Dai Kaioshin, no?

It's stated Kaioshin was the weakest Kaioshin, and implied to be by a huge margin, then I'm fine with South being ssj3 tier.

 

[Pyro]

I've always thought dude was Super Saiyan 3 tier, and the rest were around Good Boo strength.

Why only East Kaioshin so weak?

I don't know. Did the old dude give an assumptive reason for string bean being so weak? I only remember him saying dude was pathetic for a Kaioshin.

 

[SSJ2]

From a quick scan, all I saw was him shit talking Yeast Kaioshin saying he figured it would be a god to pull out the sword, not an earthling.

 

[ahill1]

Old man called Kaioshin hopeless and says that [being uninformed ?] is the reason he was so weak, implying he was exceptionally weak.

Elder Kaioshin: “Young people these days really are hopeless…That’s why you’re so weak, despite being a Kaioshin.”

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

South Kaioshin is either stronger than SSJ3 Goku because Kid Buu absorbed him but never tried for Goku, or he's weaker than SSJ2 Gohan because he couldn't lift the Z Sword.

 

[ahill1]

Well, Kid Boo also tried to transform Goku into candy, so I wouldn't say he necessarily has to be above ssj3 Goku, but just in the same vicinity.

It was said that many Kaioshins tried and failed, not all.

 

[SSJ2]

Yes, but the sword was treated like such a legend that I don't see why they would refuse to try it, especially their strongest warrior.

 

[ahill1]

Well, it was said that taking the sword off would bless you with unimaginable strength, so it wasn't simply a showing off or strength testing. Since he is already the top dog amongst the Kaioshins, I'd think he thought the Z sword would be better fitting by whoever doesn't have all that strength.

 

[Pyro]

Eddie Hall didn't need the legendary Steroid Stack to remain on top. He was already way ahead of his time, bro.

 

[SSJ2]

This topic is so full of conjecture it's impossible to really get anywhere imo.

 

[Vertical]

You want conjecture?

Didn't try to lift the Z-Sword? Pffft... he was obsessed with it.

The sword itself is shown to be magically enchanted and not actually heavy (due to Goku's handling of a much larger, and supposedly denser Katchin cube).

So, obviously, the sword was enchanted to be heavy... but the enchantment was strongest against Shinjin (which would make sense considering where the sword was - sacred world of the Supereme Kai... no mortals allowed). The magic was less effective against filthy ningen like Gohan and Goku.

South Kaioshin wanted to be strong. Whatever the reason... he needed strength.

The Z-Sword was the ultimate symbol of strength. To lift it was not only to be strong, it would also grant even greater strength.

He tried. He tried every single day. His years of obsession with the sword had led to a focus on raw strength. He slowly, passively, unintentionally, acquired a kind of "SSJ Grade 3" style permanent transformation (which is why he was so "burly").

South Kaioshin was way beyond SSJ3 Goku.Stronger than even Ultimate Gohan. Although he possessed incredible power... his focus on raw strength left him lacking in ki control/finesse.

When Kid Buu appeared, and killed the other two Kaioshin, South Kaioshin stepped up and beat the living crap out of him... but without a decent ki attack, was unable to finish him. A desperate Buu, unable to fight back, ends up absorbing the much more powerful SK.

His absorption was not everything it should have been though... sure, Buu's strength shot through the roof... he was now a powerhouse beyond Ultimate Gohan levels... but the unbalance of the strength... and it's sheer vastness was too much for Buu to handle... which is why he quickly turned his attention to absorbing the much weaker... but far more magically/ki adept Dai Kaioshin... taming the great, unwieldy power he now had.

Later, when Dai Kaioshin is removed, and "Buff Buu" reappears... Buu's body once again could not handle the incredible strength of South Kaioshin... and his body expelled the excess power (burning it off in the form of steam).



...I'm taking this as head-canon and there's nothing you can do to stop me...
...though I may write it a little better...

 

[SSJ2]

I'm putting that in my Dragon Ball guidebook that is being published in 2018.

 

[Jerk Store]

Isnt the Z sword kinda like Excalibur? I thought it took someone special to pull it out and not just anyone could do it, regardless of strength?

Or am I just pulling crapo outta my asso?

Also, didn't Kaioshin say he was the youngest and most inexperienced of the Kaioshin group? Or was that filler/dub lines?

As for Southy, I'd have to agree he is somewhere on Buu's level in order for Buu to consider absorbing him. The other Kaioshin were obviously below him.

Where do you guys have Daio? Kaioshin said he wasn't the strongest, but I doubt he was a scrub strength wise.


It is curious Buu never even attempted to absorb Goku. He coulda ATLEAST tried, Goku coulda seen it coming last second and blasted it away or something. I mean that is Buu's go to technique for dealing with rivaling/superior enemies. Seems almost out of character for Buu. I guess you could just say Buu was enamored with Goku so wanted to really fight him.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

South Kaioshin is probably as strong as Mr. Boo that is enough to change the gap between Pure Boo and Super Boo.