SSJ Vegeta (Namek) vs 100% Frieza

[AngelBorninHell]

How would this fight go?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Freeza stomps. Base Vegeta was clearly much weaker than base Goku, while 100% Freeza was somewhat close to SSJ Goku. Ergo, Vegeta is out of his league. To explain in numbers:

Vegeta: 1
~ SSJ: 50

Freeza: 1.5
~ 100%: 70

Goku: 1.5
~ SSJ: 75

 

[SSJ2]

Vegeta gets one shotted. There's no reason for him to be anywhere near base Goku. He could be 2x weaker than base Goku was.

 

[Pakl]

Vegeta gets one shotted. There's no reason for him to be anywhere near base Goku. He could be 2x weaker than base Goku was.

But BRO the Daizenshuu 7 lists Base Goku at 3,000,000 so it's a fact!!! Lol

 

[AngelBorninHell]

Vegeta: 1
~ SSJ: 50

Freeza: 1.5
~ 100%: 70

Goku: 1.5
~ SSJ: 75

Frieza being 80% of Goku seems factual considering Frieza likely went higher than 50% (but below 70%) when stopping Kaioken x20 Goku's Kamehameha.

3 millions numbers even when assuming 2nd form Frieza at full power's the one who surpasses 1 million's faulty given 3rd form increase have of being very minimal.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Frieza being 80% of Goku seems factual considering Frieza likely went higher than 50% (but below 70%) when stopping Kaioken x20 Goku's Kamehameha.

Freeza's feats place him as quite a close rival to Goku.

Freeza blocking 60m Kamehameha was more impressive than 1,250 Raditz blocking a 924 Kamehameha. 924 is 74% of 1,250. So So Freeza being 75m there would be totally fine and lines up.

 

[AngelBorninHell]

@PowerLevelGuy

Frieza needed maximum effort just so he could block the attack.

Kkx20 Goku/50% Frieza = 20
Kamehameha = 22,5
Frieza (blocking KMH) = 24

Frieza's attacks against SSJ Goku didn't do much damage while SSJ Goku's did.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Frieza needed maximum effort just so he could block the attack.

Kkx20 Goku/50% Frieza = 20
Kamehameha = 22,5
Frieza (blocking KMH) = 24

The feats don't line up. Freeza blocking the blast much be stronger. He blocks it outright with one hand without the need to overly brace himself. The power levels in BoZ confirm this that Freeza is stronger than where you have him.

Frieza's attacks against SSJ Goku didn't do much damage while SSJ Goku's did.

Sure, but you can't see Kamehameha is a bigger threat than SSJ Goku. So if he upped it for Kamehameha, he upped it for SSJ Goku and Spirit Bomb.

 

[AngelBorninHell]

He could have simply concentrated all of his might on one hand to achieve that feat.

Frieza still thought of it like one legit threat.


Plus, during the event, you can see the vains on his head. Frieza could barely live to tell it.


I'd think Frieza only ever pumped against SSJ Goku using 70% of his Kiai Ho. I have Frieza (vs Genkidama) = Frieza (blocking KMH) < 70% Frieza.

 

[Power Level Guy]

It’s not that big of a threat. He isn’t even moved by the damn thing lol.

I’ve seen far less dramatic blasts send Goku flying, like during their warm up.

Dodonpa is closer to Goku than this was to Freeza.

 

[AngelBorninHell]

It’s not that big of a threat. He isn’t even moved by the damn thing lol.

He didn't received it head on.

When 50% Frieza was stomping KKx10 Goku, he showed no signs of concern, worry, and everyone could tell Frieza was much stronger than Goku. Frustration and preocupation's shown on Frieza here, intention-wise, could mean no matter how much Goku increases his power, Frieza still had power on the tank.

I’ve seen far less dramatic blasts send Goku flying, like during their warm up.

Those are special blasts like telekinesis.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Not receiving head on is irrelevant.

Freeza is even moved at all by the Kamehameha. He stopped it dead in its tracks.

Freeza is being a baby because he doesn’t expect anything to affect his 50% power.

He is largely unaffected, the Kamehameha did nothing like Goku said.

No not the telekinesis. I’m capable of telling what is a varying blast. Freeza’s fires a basic blast that sends Goku flying in far more dramatic fashion and Goku has to really struggle with it. That blast ratio is closer to Goku than Freeza and Kamehameha.

Explain why the blast can’t even move Freeza one inch?

Gohan’s Blast against 3rd Form Freeza overwhelmed him and moved him and had him on the actual ropes.

Freeza dealt with this with one friggen hand. Lol

 

[AngelBorninHell]

Frieza's slightly better than Goku during their warm-up. I don't think it could be comparable.

Even though, that was w/one hand doesn't mean, he couldn't have used all his effort on that hand. Goku could deflect Frieza's beams on one hand and that's not indicative of him holding one major superiority over Frieza.

Frieza's extremely durable and hard to damage. Goku himself said he didn't do any damage on Frieza despite sneak-attacking him.

You can't compare Gohan with 3rd form Frieza because one blast was thrown on the air and the other to put him below on the floor.

 

[AngelBorninHell]

When one blasts non-threat for Frieza:

Spoiler

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I see gold I automatically assume >>> Namek Freeza.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

When one blasts non-threat for Frieza:

Those attacks are several times weaker than his own power though. Goku’s KHH is a threat, but that doesn’t mean he’s stronger.

It might be implied that Freeza used more power, but I’m not sure. Him staying at 50% lines up better with 100% Freeza giving Goku a good fight.

 

[AngelBorninHell]

Those attacks are several times weaker than his own power though. Goku’s KHH is a threat, but that doesn’t mean he’s stronger.

It might be implied that Freeza used more power, but I’m not sure. Him staying at 50% lines up better with 100% Freeza giving Goku a good fight.

It'd be absurd for Goku to make one attack which isn't enough of making the job against the Frieza which had already proved he's much stronger than him. Specially when Goku realized Frieza wasn't telling lies when he did one invisible power-up.

Scene simply means Frieza had more power on the tank and scales higher than whatever Goku have up to his sleeve.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

It'd be absurd for Goku to make one attack which isn't enough of making the job against the Frieza

Yeah, he should just have kneeled and said “I give up Freeza, have mercy!”. What idiot would try everything they can when fighting for his life?

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

It could be Buu saga Vegeta and he'd still find a way to job

 

[AngelBorninHell]

It could be Buu saga Vegeta and he'd still find a way to job

Buu saga Base Vegeta was leagues above Frieza considering Kaioshin and Daima.