SSJ3 Mr. Satan/Goku Potara Fusion vs Fat Boo

[FutureProtagonist]

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[Six Trails]

Gotan? If this is a serious topic I guess he would win. Goku was reluctant to fuse with Satan, but in the end he decided to so I'd imagine he'd at least get a minuscule increase.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

I guess it's supposed to be a discussion about Potara fusions and fighting knowledge and stuff. Goku did decide to fuse with Satan, but only because it was literally his only option. He claimed that fusion might even make him weaker, hence why Fat Boo could stand a chance again.

I can't see why he didn't fuse with Dende, though. He's got a decently high battle power, and he's probably more knowledgeable about fighting (he knows what ki is) than Mr. Satan. They have backup dragon balls anyway.

BTW, it's Marku, or Gark

 

[Six Trails]

I'm aware he said that fusing with Satan could make him weaker, but I interpreted him deciding to actually fuse with Satan in the end as an indication that it wouldn't actually. Or I guess one could say it was actually a risk that Goku was willing to take in a desperate situation.

Iunno. I still like to think Goku would at least get a little stronger. Satan might not add any fighting knowledge, but I doubt he'd hinder Goku that bad if at all.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

Goku is definitely screwed if he doesn't fuse. Losing a minute amount of power isn't going to harm his situation (he'll still be screwed), but on the off-chance that he gets a boost, he could be back in business. I take that scene as Goku doing literally the only thing he could; I don't think he has any idea what will happen either.

I could see him getting weaker; maybe not actually losing battle power, but losing his ability to access it properly. Mr. Satan's techniques and personality could make him less effective as a fighter as well.

 

[Six Trails]

Yeah, perhaps I initially misinterpreted the scene. How much weaker do you think he'd get? I don't believe Fat Boo is all that much weaker than Goku, so even losing a little power would probably result in a loss given SS3's immense strain.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

It'd basically be the same as SSJ3 Goku... but Mr. Satan basic knowledge of martial arts would hinder Gotan's abilities thus loses to Fat Boo.

 

[p123]

I think Goku would definitely get weaker. Mr. Satan is too weak.

 

[Papasmurf]

I can't see why he didn't fuse with Dende, though. He's got a decently high battle power, and he's probably more knowledgeable about fighting (he knows what ki is) than Mr. Satan. They have backup dragon balls anyway.

Possible risk of the same thing happening as when Kami merged with Piccolo. Also unlikely to provide much of an increase even if more than Satan due to a huge gap between the two parties in any case.

Goku also wasn't confident in reaching New Namek until becoming aware of Kibitoshin's superior teleportation.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

I can't see why he didn't fuse with Dende, though. He's got a decently high battle power, and he's probably more knowledgeable about fighting (he knows what ki is) than Mr. Satan. They have backup dragon balls anyway.

Possible risk of the same thing happening as when Kami merged with Piccolo. Also unlikely to provide much of an increase even if more than Satan due to a huge gap between the two parties in any case.

Goku also wasn't confident in reaching New Namek until becoming aware of Kibitoshin's superior teleportation.

It's still probably a better chance overall, and the priority should be beating Boo, not worrying about what will happen after he's beaten. I'd expect Dende to have a BP that's at least more than one hundred times greater than Satan.

How would he have trouble finding new Namek? Kaio found them instantly in during the Cell Arc. I suppose it would be problematic finding a new DB-maker after Boo is defeated, but as I said earlier, defeating Boo should be the absolute number one priority. If Super is to be believed Dragon Balls can unfuse potara users anyway.

 

[Papasmurf]

I can't see why he didn't fuse with Dende, though. He's got a decently high battle power, and he's probably more knowledgeable about fighting (he knows what ki is) than Mr. Satan. They have backup dragon balls anyway.

Possible risk of the same thing happening as when Kami merged with Piccolo. Also unlikely to provide much of an increase even if more than Satan due to a huge gap between the two parties in any case.

Goku also wasn't confident in reaching New Namek until becoming aware of Kibitoshin's superior teleportation.

It's still probably a better chance overall, and the priority should be beating Boo, not worrying about what will happen after he's beaten. I'd expect Dende to have a BP that's at least more than one hundred times greater than Satan.

How would he have trouble finding new Namek? Kaio found them instantly in during the Cell Arc.

What Goku said upon looking at Dende was that "he wasn't a warrior" - probably meaning his lack of any great power by that point in the series and lack of fighting skills would make the boost negligible, even if greater than with Satan. He also knows this is his only chance to fuse, so either one would be senseless with this having the Dragon Balls possibly disappearing to top it off.

He did so in the Cell arc, but acts completely differently when prompted to do so by Dende. From a writing standpoint it makes almost no sense to not merely mention he could do it with Kaio's help, but in-universe it seems to be a daunting issue. I guess he finds it difficult to locate Kaio from the Kaioshinkai or on Earth now that he's not at his home planet anymore, or because Kaioshinkai is so elusive a place that you'd have to have a ki as large as Gohan to be sensed there and vice versa.

Goku also often took much greater risks to protect the Dragon Balls or the Radar in the Boo arc in general (see: vs. Fat Boo), so it'd simply appear that finding New Namek is basically a taller order than it was in the Cell arc and he was forced to put the safety of the Earth Dragonballs at top priority. Toriyama most likely wasn't thinking this far though.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Goku said it will hurt his size if he fuse with Dende.