SSJG Goku is a destroyer of the solar system, galaxy and uni

[SIAD]

Goku is able destuir SSJG a Galaxy or Galaxy or Super Cluster Galaxy Cluster or even the entire universe in a single shot? Goku far can SSJG?

 

[SuperGogeta]

SPC: Solar System
SSJ3 Gotenks: Galaxy
SSJ3 Vegetto : Universe
IMO , SSG Goku is more than a Universe buster , IMO

 

[Captain Cadaver]

SSJ3 Gotenks: Galaxy
SSJ3 Vegetto : Universe

Nothing points even slightly to these two having anything near this level of power, especially not when Beerus viewed Solar System busting as very relevant to the Z-Senshi.

On topic, yes. the God Tier are now confirmed to be capable of destroying the DB Universe, which is at least a Multi-Galaxy level feat. Considering this also includes the Afterlife, Makai and Kaioshin-kai, it could easily be Universe level.

 

[kriss-]

Statements within a story are true until contradicted -or at least until the author goes out of his way to say the statement was originally false to begin with. There is no reason for the author to 'lie' to his audience when he has a character state something.

Piccolo is a moon buster.
Vegeta is a planet buster in the Saiyan Saga.
1rst Form Frieza is capable of finger flicking a planet that has 10x the size and mass as the Earth.
Super Perfect Cell is a stated Solar System Buster.
Goku Super Saiyan 3 would be a quad Solar Buster through power-scaling.

Beerus The Destroyer & Goku Super Saiyan Gods are Universe busters through multiple statements and feats through two sources of information -the Manga & Anime. Therefore it's 100% factual they are physically capable of destroying a Universe just by the exterior effects of brawling.

The DBZ Universe is the same size as our Universe. Nothing says it isn't.

 

[SuperGogeta]

SSJ3 Gotenks: Galaxy
SSJ3 Vegetto : Universe

Nothing points even slightly to these two having anything near this level of power, especially not when Beerus viewed Solar System busting as very relevant to the Z-Senshi.

On topic, yes. the God Tier are now confirmed to be capable of destroying the DB Universe, which is at least a Multi-Galaxy level feat. Considering this also includes the Afterlife, Makai and Kaioshin-kai, it could easily be Universe level.

well , i think about SSJ3 Gotenks you're right,but i put SSJ3 Vegetto there, because i don't see him far far away SSG Goku. SSJ3 Vegetto is enough [/quote]

 

[kriss-]

SSJ3 Gotenks: Galaxy
SSJ3 Vegetto : Universe

Nothing points even slightly to these two having anything near this level of power, especially not when Beerus viewed Solar System busting as very relevant to the Z-Senshi.

On topic, yes. the God Tier are now confirmed to be capable of destroying the DB Universe, which is at least a Multi-Galaxy level feat. Considering this also includes the Afterlife, Makai and Kaioshin-kai, it could easily be Universe level.

well , i think about SSJ3 Gotenks you're right,but i put SSJ3 Vegetto there, because i don't see him far far away SSG Goku. SSJ3 Vegetto is enough

[/quote]Did you not read my other thread?

These power claims are backed by the Manga, Battle of Gods & Dragonball Super Anime. Three official sources:

a) Goku estimates Beerus' full power -which in turn is less than 10% as stated earlier, and claims it's superior to Vegetto. The strongest incarnation of a plausible Vegetto is Super Saiyan 3.

Beerus 10% > Beerus (100% Goku's Estimates) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 (Db Super)

b) Goku & Vegeta are heavily implied from multiple feats and statements from three sources of information (Db Super Anime & Manga & Battle of Gods), to be the strongest among the Z Warrior's. Therefore whatever difference existed between Vegeta Ssj2 & Ultimate Gohan is the same difference of a Boo Saga Vegetto & Db Super Vegetto.

Beerus 10% > Beerus (100% Goku's Estimates) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 (Db Super) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 (Boo Saga)

c) Goku turns Super Saiyan God and his 'Initial' power far exceeds his expectations of Beerus & Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 by a long margin.

Goku SSJG (Initial) >>>>>>> Beerus 10% > Beerus (100% Goku's Estimates) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 (Db Super) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 (Boo Saga)

d) Goku is unable to fight Beerus and gets owned. It turns out Goku is still getting used to the Saiyan God and is gradually getting stronger, enough to actually fight back -somewhat.

Goku SSJG (Powering Up) >> Goku SSJG (Initial) >>>>>>>> Beerus 10% > Beerus (100% Goku's Estimates) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 (Db Super) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 Boo Saga

e) Goku powers up again and it turns out he is still with-holding his full power -that Beerus wants to see. So Beerus forces him to use it all and one shots him. Goku than gets a Zenkai and comes back even stronger.

Goku SSJG (Full Power) > Goku SSJG (Near Death) > Goku SSJG (Powering Up) >>> Goku SSJG (Initial) >>>>>>>>> Beerus 10% > Beerus (100% Goku's Expectations) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 (Db Super) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 Boo Saga

Summarily, VEGETTO IS NOT, close to GokU SSJG in the slightest. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest so.

So unless you can tear down all the points I made and construct your own to debunk them. Well....

 

[SuperGogeta]

well , i think about SSJ3 Gotenks you're right,but i put SSJ3 Vegetto there, because i don't see him far far away SSG Goku. SSJ3 Vegetto is enough

Did you not read my other thread?

These power claims are backed by the Manga, Battle of Gods & Dragonball Super Anime. Three official sources:

a) Goku estimates Beerus' full power -which in turn is less than 10% as stated earlier, and claims it's superior to Vegetto. The strongest incarnation of a plausible Vegetto is Super Saiyan 3.

Beerus 10% > Beerus (100% Goku's Estimates) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 (Db Super)

b) Goku & Vegeta are heavily implied from multiple feats and statements from three sources of information (Db Super Anime & Manga & Battle of Gods), to be the strongest among the Z Warrior's. Therefore whatever difference existed between Vegeta Ssj2 & Ultimate Gohan is the same difference of a Boo Saga Vegetto & Db Super Vegetto.

Beerus 10% > Beerus (100% Goku's Estimates) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 (Db Super) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 (Boo Saga)

c) Goku turns Super Saiyan God and his 'Initial' power far exceeds his expectations of Beerus & Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 by a long margin.

Goku SSJG (Initial) >>>>>>> Beerus 10% > Beerus (100% Goku's Estimates) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 (Db Super) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 (Boo Saga)

d) Goku is unable to fight Beerus and gets owned. It turns out Goku is still getting used to the Saiyan God and is gradually getting stronger, enough to actually fight back -somewhat.

Goku SSJG (Powering Up) >> Goku SSJG (Initial) >>>>>>>> Beerus 10% > Beerus (100% Goku's Estimates) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 (Db Super) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 Boo Saga

e) Goku powers up again and it turns out he is still with-holding his full power -that Beerus wants to see. So Beerus forces him to use it all and one shots him. Goku than gets a Zenkai and comes back even stronger.

Goku SSJG (Full Power) > Goku SSJG (Near Death) > Goku SSJG (Powering Up) >>> Goku SSJG (Initial) >>>>>>>>> Beerus 10% > Beerus (100% Goku's Expectations) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 (Db Super) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 Boo Saga

Summarily, VEGETTO IS NOT, close to GokU SSJG in the slightest. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest so.

So unless you can tear down all the points I made and construct your own to debunk them. Well....

emmm
First Thing about it, it seems a bit stupid that the Most Powerful Fusion in SSJ3 got weaker than a 10% of Beerus
also, How could Goku know about his Potara fusión , when he never fused in Db Super, and he made so tremendous gains in Db Super?
i mean, SSJ Vegetto >>> Buuhan > Db Super SSJ3 Goku <=> Buutenks >> Mystic Gohan >> SSJ3 Gotenks >/>> Super Boo >>>>>>>>>> SSJ Gotenks >>> Base Gotenks >>> SSJ3 Goku (Z) (or SSJ3
I think he was referring to Boo Arc SSJ3 Vegetto, who is massively weaker than DB Super one[/quote]

 

[kriss-]

Something appearing stupidity -to you, has no bearing on whether it's true or not.

Goku was apart of Vegetto, people claiming Vegetto is his own character are simply reaching. Goku recollects on Vegetto's powers and claims it's enough to defeat Kid Boo with a casual Chi blast. This proves he knows how strong Vegetto is and remembers that power.

He compares this to Beerus -whom wasn't at 10% power yet, and says it's unable to defeat him.

You have no evidence to suggest Goku was comparing Boo Saga as opposed to the more logical, Dragonbal Super Vegetto.

As expected, I see no real argument on your side.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

Doesn't matter what difference there is in battle power, Vegetto didn't do anything like that.

 

[kriss-]

Doesn't matter what difference there is in battle power, Vegetto didn't do anything like that.

Goku said that.

Source ~ Herms Strength Checker

 

[Disasters GoOn]

Quite possibly.

A lot of DBZ fans have been pointing out that, during episode 12, Old Kai states that shockwaves emitted from Goku and Beerus threatened to devastate the universe, and that, somehow, they were getting stronger the FURTHER AWAY they were from the fight.

It also works based on scaling. If SPC is a solar-system buster (or, at least, a Sun-buster), then guys like Fat Boo and Goku could, quite possibly, bust the solar system more quickly. Then we get to guys like Super Vegetto, who'd likely erase the Solar System with a tiny blast. And that is considered weak compared to Beerus, who is stated to have the ability to wipe out the solar system faster than a person could say, "Ah."

And Whis never made a comment about Beerus' full power when he said this in BoG, so no reason to NOT think that Beerus wiping out a galaxy is not possible.

Since Godku is 60% of Beerus, if Beerus can do it, Godku can come close too.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

Doesn't matter what difference there is in battle power, Vegetto didn't do anything like that.

Goku said that.

Source ~ Herms Strength Checker

Said what?

 

[kriss-]

Doesn't matter what difference there is in battle power, Vegetto didn't do anything like that.

Goku said that.

Source ~ Herms Strength Checker

Said what?

Goku said Vegetto could defeat Boo with a casual Chi blast. Meaning he remembers Vegetto's power.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

What I mean is that Vegetto doesn't retroactively inherit Beerus and Goku's capabilities. I don't contest that he remembers Vegetto's power.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

well , i think about SSJ3 Gotenks you're right,but i put SSJ3 Vegetto there, because i don't see him far far away SSG Goku. SSJ3 Vegetto is enough

If anything, it just proves that SS3 Vegetto is massively inferior to the Gods.

Goku Super Saiyan 3 would be a quad Solar Buster through power-scaling.
The DBZ Universe is the same size as our Universe. Nothing says it isn't.

Battle Power scaling isn't linear and can't be used to determine feats. If it were linear, the likes of 1st form Freeza wouldn't even be a city buster, let alone a casual Planet Buster.

The DB Universe containing 4 Galaxies says more than enough on the latter part.

 

[Super Saiyan Overlord1007]

I don't think anyone in the DBZ Universe has galaxy busting power until you get to Byrrus who I put in the SSJ4 realm of power.

 

[kriss-]

I don't think anyone in the DBZ Universe has galaxy busting power until you get to Byrrus who I put in the SSJ4 realm of power.

Unless you believe Beerus is millions of times more powerful than Vegetto, that logic doesn't work. The difference between solar systems and the Universe is too great.

Goku SSJG was also shaking the Universe with a suppressed punch of his -alongside Beerus.

Again, false.

Goku Ssj4 had a hard time lifting a building with all his strength. A punch from Beerus & Goku SSJG shook the Universe and dimensions outside the Universe.

The physical difference isn't even a comparison. Beerus was stated three times to be able to destroy the Universe in an instant -outside of his Universe shaking punching feats.

Beerus isn't in 'Ssj4' tier power, he's way-wayyyy beyond it.

 

[kriss-]

well , i think about SSJ3 Gotenks you're right,but i put SSJ3 Vegetto there, because i don't see him far far away SSG Goku. SSJ3 Vegetto is enough

If anything, it just proves that SS3 Vegetto is massively inferior to the Gods.

Goku Super Saiyan 3 would be a quad Solar Buster through power-scaling.
The DBZ Universe is the same size as our Universe. Nothing says it isn't.

Battle Power scaling isn't linear and can't be used to determine feats. If it were linear, the likes of 1st form Freeza wouldn't even be a city buster, let alone a casual Planet Buster.

The DB Universe containing 4 Galaxies says more than enough on the latter part.

Actually it does work.

Vegeta = 24,000 (Planetary mass of Earth)

Frieza = 530,000

It completely works.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

I wonder what the destructive capabilities of the farmer are...

 

[kriss-]

He could blast a hole in your head with his shot gun.